Oh the drama. Y_S is not showing his face in public. He doesn't want any of us to know who he really is. So he had to go all the way to Canada to dodge the parade and the meeting? Wow.
Yes, YS, I fessed up and was appointed to be vice-chair of the endorsement committee. If you had been there you could have objected. You are lying about your trip to Canada. I expect you to scan your airline ticket and post it here. Fess up YS.
Jon - our politics are quite different but we do agree that YS is the quintessential coward. This isn't the first time that he has called someone a liar or worse and when challenged to repeat the insult in person he suddenly becomes unavailable. Once, he even accepted the challenge to repeat an undeserved insult to a fellow blogger in person. The meet was scheduled for a specific time to take place across from Taco Tree in downtown Auburn. Of course he failed to show up and then made some feeble excuse about losing track of time. Whenever he really puts his foot in his mouth (as he has done many times on this forum) he typically disappears for a short period of time and then resurfaces with a new name.
Bastiat, Thanks. I really don't mind being called negative political names and I am as guilty as others but names like "liar" are really personal and YS is less than a man or woman for making that unfounded comment and then running away. Perhaps we should make a list of acceptable insults and a list of unacceptable insults.
Here's a start.
Acceptable: Stupid liberal, Stupid Conservative, Ignorant war monger, Uneducated fool, tree hugger, right wing radical, etc.Ferengi is ok.
Unacceptable: Anything racist, Anything defiling anyone's religion that is personal i.e, "you are a dumb catholic, jew, muslim, etc. A personal attack that would be considered libel or slander in a court of law.
JohGreen, why not let the bloggers profess their own "traits" and stay above the fray? We can all agree or disagree with positions without insults as we all are quite capable of placing ourselves in the yuck.
Jon - A personal attack against an anonymous pseudonym could hardly be considered libel or slander. You sir, are a lumpish, clay-brained jackanapes. (Acceptable or Unacceptable?)
skeptic, not correct but acceptable. Blue Bird, At the meeting I asked if Yosemite Sam was present. No one responded. Lonewolf, Acceptable to me, I don't know if the ladies would find it offensive. Certainly not libel or slander.
Born_Here. YS claimed that I called Jim Ruffalo to give him information about the Republican Central Committee. When I told him I didn't, YS blogged that I was lying.
None of you guys know what you are talking about. Y-S is in Canada, he went there for treatment for his persistent ED problem, all medications available in the US have failed so he went for some experimental treatment.
Remember Laetrile treatments in Mexico, well this is similar but just for ED. Now you can all apologize to this very sick person and start showing some compassion.
For the rest of you, I was not actually up assisting a client.
I confess, my gay lover and I were visiting the place we first met back when we were protesting the Vietnam war and had dodged the draft. Besides, we needed to pick up some cheap medications and get some free medical treatment.
PS: Jon, I did not recall calling you a liar so I went back and looked for where that happened.
Perhaps you misread. I was addressing Jim Ruffalo for using the term "Kiting" in his headline. So you are asking me to apologize for something I have not done?
I observe that you are not willing to simply say "I do not know who called Jim Ruffalo or how he came to call me on this question". Why is that?
YS, Jim Ruffalo called me and I do not know who called Ruffalo. He may have picked up the info from the FPPC. I have no idea where he got the information. Maybe Canyon Rat called him.
I quote you on this, I dont want anyone to think I said it:
"I confess, my gay lover and I were visiting the place we first met back when we were protesting the Vietnam war and had dodged the draft. Besides, we needed to pick up some cheap medications and get some free medical treatment."
You forgot to add that you filled on the above stated trip, you were busy filling out your membership applications to the VFP, and Socialist party.
Jon, did you really stand up at the meeting and ask if Yosemite Sam was there? LOL! You might have had better luck and few stand up if you'd called out for Elmer Fudd! Or Foghorn Leghorn! Hey what's that smell? Pepe le Pew, please, come forward!
You'll get no sympathy from me on this one - You spent plenty of time making insinuating remarks to Jack Sanchez regarding the funding for SARSAS, so in my opinion you are being a big hypocrite. If we want to attach such silly accusations as libel and slander to anonymous postings, maybe we should attach stalking charges against you for the way you follow CanyonRat around on the blogs. Now that would be pretty ridiculous too, don't you think?
Oh, but I guess you guys have kissed and made up now, that's great.
By the way, I found it amusing that you took yet another opportunity to throw out the word Acorn during the article, like a squirrel with Tourettes, you just can't help yourself, can you.
Interesting that Kitty would join in the “piling on” after she bashed others for doing the same thing to CR. You gotta love that hypocrisy. Jon, I am with born here. I must have missed this. When did YS call you a liar? I would be careful about going down that road of inviting others to meet in person when it most likely would result in violence. Personal attacks happen daily on this blog. There meaningless. It’s not worth spilling someone’s blood over.
oh Patrick, how am I joining in any "piling on", come on, are you still not over me telling you that you were acting like a big meanie to CR? And it's really hard to take the accusation of hypocrisy seriously from you. Seriously.
But, you are exactly right on one point - inviting others to meet in person as a "calling out" is probably not going to end well and personal attacks are meaningless on here. I'd be more bothered if it was someone who actually knows me or whose opinion of me matters. Yeah, sometimes it stings, but it's more like a little mosquito bite than a full on blow to the psyche, you know what I mean?
Patrick, you and I have had a long back and forth road. I'm sorry that we ended up back on opposite sides of the path, but who knows, it's changed in the past and maybe it will change again... :)
I am open to anything, Kitty. However, honesty is a prerequisite. I invite you to read your post above and then say again that it wasn’t “piling on.” You’ll notice that I never denied “piling on” CR. I simply said it was well deserved. :)
Fyi: "While Jon might want to pretend that the Journal just called him to get those quotes, its apparent he called them and dropped a dime."
Kittyv, Asking Fishdella who donates to the SARSAS and how they spend their money is not an insinuating remark. I don't follow CaynonRat, I just respond to her comments. And yes I did stand up and ask if Yosemite Sam was present. Most of the Central Committee members read these posts and understood what I was talking about.
Not using real names tends to allow folks to throw bombs and not be responsible for their personal comments about people. There would be less name calling and more respect if people used their real names and were willing to stand up personally for their opinions.
I don't see it Patrick, I'm sincere, I'm not sure what you meant by your comment that I was piling on, and that is honest. No one else even came close to what I'm saying here. The occasional "insult" or vehement disagreement is going to happen, it was when six or seven people all join in some kind of pack attack and do it consistently over a period of days that I took issue with.
On that note, Jon, you posted on a number of blogs and LTE's where he posted no matter what the subject matter with insinuating comments to Jack about SARSAS. You know perfectly well that Fedallah and Ishmael are Jack, and that hasn't put a filter on your comments, so it doesn't appear your theory is correct. If I had more time I'd waste it pulling them up, as well as the ones you were doing to CanyonRat, but I am already late, and it seems pointless.
I'm considering discontinuing any comments to people who use their real name. That will solve the problem of hurt feelings and sensitive egos. I see NO evidence of more respect from people who use their real names, with of course exceptions, and those people should already know who they are without my having to list them, so I won't. I do respect you because of what you have done for youth in this area, but I didn't care for the whole SARSAS thing and you brought this up, so....
ok, now I really have to go, and I'm not going to be able to read or reply if you respond for at least a few days, my apologies for that if you desired to continue this.
Thanks, Jon. I hadn’t read that before. What the heck are you two conservatives doing going at it? Save your energy for the enemy. :) Kitty, My apologies, I thought you were directing your comments to YS, my bad.
All I have to say is that I am EXTREMELY GRATEFUL that nobody has ever called me a liar on this blog site.
Oh wait..now that I think about it...perhaps once or twice.
I am still laughing at the idea of JG asking "Has anyone here seen Yosemite Sam??"
Good thing my pen name is not "Mike Hawk"!
Jon, seriously, I could not find where I called you a liar although I clearly questioned your credibility. This is one case where using an anonymous name would have been better because then only the credibility of an anonymous poster would have been challenged.
I take your word and apologize for the insinuation.
So they work it out and you can't leave it alone and end this totally garbage blog in somewhat a good note; you just had to throw that wrench into the mix. I thought you were above that cra*, but thanks for showing us you too are human.
YS and JonGreen, while I thought this blog was totally inappropriate to begin with I think it showed you two ignored all the side, small and inciteful comments and actually cleared the air. kiityv & patrick50, too. YS for all your sharp edges, you took it well and with good humor. . I know some call you a troll, but I think you're genuine in your beliefs even if I don't embrace all your views. You get some kudos today in my book.
Ricardo Cabeza for the Sapnish bi-lingual Bloggers. For the Deutsche crowd Richard Kopf.
I had to jump on the funny wagon too...lol. I have no ill will towards Y_S though. Please don't take offence Y_S, it was just a little fun at your expence. :)
He is in Canada. I kid you not. He posted a comment on one of the news stories about the parade.
What a coincidence - neither was I!
Robert Capp
And we care about this why? I didn't go to the DNC meeting. So what?
He didn't show up because he was still standing down at the parade route with his back turned and wondering where everyone was.
And this is news because...? And yes, he said he is in Canada.
Is YS a parade dodger?
I invited him so he could call me a liar to my face.
Jon: As I sit yet again in an airport on my way back home, I have to wonder.... Did you fess up?
Yosemite went to Canada for their fine medical treatment I heard.
Talk about taking cut and run to extreme measures... he needed a passport !
I'm with Capp & Placer - I didn't go either. Did anyone, besides Jon, go last night?
Oh the drama. Y_S is not showing his face in public. He doesn't want any of us to know who he really is. So he had to go all the way to Canada to dodge the parade and the meeting? Wow.
Yes, YS, I fessed up and was appointed to be vice-chair of the endorsement committee. If you had been there you could have objected. You are lying about your trip to Canada. I expect you to scan your airline ticket and post it here. Fess up YS.
Canyon, Everyone needs a passport now to travel out of the country.
Jayber -
Y_S is in Canada - - again? That's where he went when his Vietnam draft number came up, too.
Jon - our politics are quite different but we do agree that YS is the quintessential coward. This isn't the first time that he has called someone a liar or worse and when challenged to repeat the insult in person he suddenly becomes unavailable. Once, he even accepted the challenge to repeat an undeserved insult to a fellow blogger in person. The meet was scheduled for a specific time to take place across from Taco Tree in downtown Auburn. Of course he failed to show up and then made some feeble excuse about losing track of time. Whenever he really puts his foot in his mouth (as he has done many times on this forum) he typically disappears for a short period of time and then resurfaces with a new name.
Jon,
Why did Y_S call you a liar in the first place? I am out of the loop on this story...lol
Bastiat, Thanks. I really don't mind being called negative political names and I am as guilty as others but names like "liar" are really personal and YS is less than a man or woman for making that unfounded comment and then running away. Perhaps we should make a list of acceptable insults and a list of unacceptable insults.
Here's a start.
Acceptable: Stupid liberal, Stupid Conservative, Ignorant war monger, Uneducated fool, tree hugger, right wing radical, etc.Ferengi is ok.
Unacceptable: Anything racist, Anything defiling anyone's religion that is personal i.e, "you are a dumb catholic, jew, muslim, etc. A personal attack that would be considered libel or slander in a court of law.
Anyone care to add to the lists?
JohGreen, why not let the bloggers profess their own "traits" and stay above the fray? We can all agree or disagree with positions without insults as we all are quite capable of placing ourselves in the yuck.
How about.... You really got your panties twisted on that one.... Acceptable or Unacceptable!
Jon for all you know yosemite sam was at the meeting. He could be anyone. I am not buying the Canada trip.
Gay marriage is legal in Canada. Makes you wonder....
Jon - A personal attack against an anonymous pseudonym could hardly be considered libel or slander. You sir, are a lumpish, clay-brained jackanapes. (Acceptable or Unacceptable?)
brain damage
"A personal attack against an anonymous pseudonym......"-Skeptic
Just as a personal attack from a pseudonym is meaningless,
yet you thrive on it.
skeptic, not correct but acceptable. Blue Bird, At the meeting I asked if Yosemite Sam was present. No one responded. Lonewolf, Acceptable to me, I don't know if the ladies would find it offensive. Certainly not libel or slander.
Born_Here. YS claimed that I called Jim Ruffalo to give him information about the Republican Central Committee. When I told him I didn't, YS blogged that I was lying.
Jon,
Nobody with a functioning cerebrum takes Y_S seriously.
None of you guys know what you are talking about. Y-S is in Canada, he went there for treatment for his persistent ED problem, all medications available in the US have failed so he went for some experimental treatment.
Remember Laetrile treatments in Mexico, well this is similar but just for ED. Now you can all apologize to this very sick person and start showing some compassion.
"At the meeting I asked if Yosemite Sam was present. No one responded. "
Now I really wish I had been there to see that. I bet people were having a hard time not LOL.
Jon, if you say you did not drop a dime to Ruffalo, I guess I believe it even though it contradicts my experience with the press.
I do not recall calling you a liar although I do recall doubting your word. I apologize if such a term was used.
Now, how did Jim Ruffalo get your name on this issue?
For the rest of you, I was not actually up assisting a client.
I confess, my gay lover and I were visiting the place we first met back when we were protesting the Vietnam war and had dodged the draft. Besides, we needed to pick up some cheap medications and get some free medical treatment.
Yea, thats it.
Thanks, YS for joining in the fun - good one.
PS: Jon, I did not recall calling you a liar so I went back and looked for where that happened.
Perhaps you misread. I was addressing Jim Ruffalo for using the term "Kiting" in his headline. So you are asking me to apologize for something I have not done?
I observe that you are not willing to simply say "I do not know who called Jim Ruffalo or how he came to call me on this question". Why is that?
YS, Jim Ruffalo called me and I do not know who called Ruffalo. He may have picked up the info from the FPPC. I have no idea where he got the information. Maybe Canyon Rat called him.
Y_S,
I quote you on this, I dont want anyone to think I said it:
"I confess, my gay lover and I were visiting the place we first met back when we were protesting the Vietnam war and had dodged the draft. Besides, we needed to pick up some cheap medications and get some free medical treatment."
You forgot to add that you filled on the above stated trip, you were busy filling out your membership applications to the VFP, and Socialist party.
Just kidding... I thought it was funny anyway.
Jon, did you really stand up at the meeting and ask if Yosemite Sam was there? LOL! You might have had better luck and few stand up if you'd called out for Elmer Fudd! Or Foghorn Leghorn! Hey what's that smell? Pepe le Pew, please, come forward!
You'll get no sympathy from me on this one - You spent plenty of time making insinuating remarks to Jack Sanchez regarding the funding for SARSAS, so in my opinion you are being a big hypocrite. If we want to attach such silly accusations as libel and slander to anonymous postings, maybe we should attach stalking charges against you for the way you follow CanyonRat around on the blogs. Now that would be pretty ridiculous too, don't you think?
Oh, but I guess you guys have kissed and made up now, that's great.
By the way, I found it amusing that you took yet another opportunity to throw out the word Acorn during the article, like a squirrel with Tourettes, you just can't help yourself, can you.
Interesting that Kitty would join in the “piling on” after she bashed others for doing the same thing to CR. You gotta love that hypocrisy. Jon, I am with born here. I must have missed this. When did YS call you a liar? I would be careful about going down that road of inviting others to meet in person when it most likely would result in violence. Personal attacks happen daily on this blog. There meaningless. It’s not worth spilling someone’s blood over.
oh Patrick, how am I joining in any "piling on", come on, are you still not over me telling you that you were acting like a big meanie to CR? And it's really hard to take the accusation of hypocrisy seriously from you. Seriously.
But, you are exactly right on one point - inviting others to meet in person as a "calling out" is probably not going to end well and personal attacks are meaningless on here. I'd be more bothered if it was someone who actually knows me or whose opinion of me matters. Yeah, sometimes it stings, but it's more like a little mosquito bite than a full on blow to the psyche, you know what I mean?
Patrick, you and I have had a long back and forth road. I'm sorry that we ended up back on opposite sides of the path, but who knows, it's changed in the past and maybe it will change again... :)
I am open to anything, Kitty. However, honesty is a prerequisite. I invite you to read your post above and then say again that it wasn’t “piling on.” You’ll notice that I never denied “piling on” CR. I simply said it was well deserved. :)
Patrick50,
Fyi: "While Jon might want to pretend that the Journal just called him to get those quotes, its apparent he called them and dropped a dime."
Kittyv, Asking Fishdella who donates to the SARSAS and how they spend their money is not an insinuating remark. I don't follow CaynonRat, I just respond to her comments. And yes I did stand up and ask if Yosemite Sam was present. Most of the Central Committee members read these posts and understood what I was talking about.
Not using real names tends to allow folks to throw bombs and not be responsible for their personal comments about people. There would be less name calling and more respect if people used their real names and were willing to stand up personally for their opinions.
I don't see it Patrick, I'm sincere, I'm not sure what you meant by your comment that I was piling on, and that is honest. No one else even came close to what I'm saying here. The occasional "insult" or vehement disagreement is going to happen, it was when six or seven people all join in some kind of pack attack and do it consistently over a period of days that I took issue with.
On that note, Jon, you posted on a number of blogs and LTE's where he posted no matter what the subject matter with insinuating comments to Jack about SARSAS. You know perfectly well that Fedallah and Ishmael are Jack, and that hasn't put a filter on your comments, so it doesn't appear your theory is correct. If I had more time I'd waste it pulling them up, as well as the ones you were doing to CanyonRat, but I am already late, and it seems pointless.
I'm considering discontinuing any comments to people who use their real name. That will solve the problem of hurt feelings and sensitive egos. I see NO evidence of more respect from people who use their real names, with of course exceptions, and those people should already know who they are without my having to list them, so I won't. I do respect you because of what you have done for youth in this area, but I didn't care for the whole SARSAS thing and you brought this up, so....
ok, now I really have to go, and I'm not going to be able to read or reply if you respond for at least a few days, my apologies for that if you desired to continue this.
Thanks, Jon. I hadn’t read that before. What the heck are you two conservatives doing going at it? Save your energy for the enemy. :) Kitty, My apologies, I thought you were directing your comments to YS, my bad.
All I have to say is that I am EXTREMELY GRATEFUL that nobody has ever called me a liar on this blog site.
Oh wait..now that I think about it...perhaps once or twice.
I am still laughing at the idea of JG asking "Has anyone here seen Yosemite Sam??"
Good thing my pen name is not "Mike Hawk"!
Jon, seriously, I could not find where I called you a liar although I clearly questioned your credibility. This is one case where using an anonymous name would have been better because then only the credibility of an anonymous poster would have been challenged.
I take your word and apologize for the insinuation.
ys, thanks.
Y_S,
Some on this site think you're real name is Richard Head. I'm not sure where that came from?
gregcalac,
So they work it out and you can't leave it alone and end this totally garbage blog in somewhat a good note; you just had to throw that wrench into the mix. I thought you were above that cra*, but thanks for showing us you too are human.
YS and JonGreen, while I thought this blog was totally inappropriate to begin with I think it showed you two ignored all the side, small and inciteful comments and actually cleared the air. kiityv & patrick50, too. YS for all your sharp edges, you took it well and with good humor. . I know some call you a troll, but I think you're genuine in your beliefs even if I don't embrace all your views. You get some kudos today in my book.
greg,
Richard Cranium.
Greg and joszef,
Ricardo Cabeza for the Sapnish bi-lingual Bloggers. For the Deutsche crowd Richard Kopf.
I had to jump on the funny wagon too...lol. I have no ill will towards Y_S though. Please don't take offence Y_S, it was just a little fun at your expence. :)
Fun, B_H? We can't have fun here. Not when so many only come here for the arguing.
kud,
You're welcome! The "good note" you refer to actually IS the bickering. Many welcome that sound.
Y_S,
Yes, you have been a good egg for all the criticism you take. I know you realize I'm only pulling your leg (not your finger)! ;-)