My mother would often ask me about one of my children; "aren't you going to make him/her apologize?" To which I would reply; "No, I will explain to them why they should, but to make them and have them do it only because I said they had to makes it meaningless." I would hope Aaron Klein would know why he should.

Observing and reporting that errors and omissions occurred does not call for an apology. The Grand Jury and the FPPC both observed that errors and omissions took place, they just did not conclude that there was intent.

If Klein owes an apology, its for presuming that Ramirez *intended* to deceive rather than made an honest mistake.

Haswell does the exact same thing. He *presumes* that the Placer Republican party has done something wrong and is ready to jump all over them when in all probability, the FPPC and any other investigating agency will come up with a report that no wrongdoing has occurred. Unlike the Ramirez case, they will not even find errors or omissions, but rather 100% legal behavior that only looks bad to someone who wishes to see a problem.

So Rob, will you be apologizing when the FPPC clears the Placer County Republican Party?

Y-S, Haswell is a political hack in the same plane as Klein. There was grounds for the complaint, and upon investigation it was concluded that mistakes were made but were unintentional. I guess we can say the same about all the appointees that failed to pay taxes such as Geithner and no one is apologizing on that one.

You will see Haswell running for some elected office, he's just setting the mood, he's got to keep his name out there.

Personally I can't stand Klein, he acts like a little spoiled child most of the time and I get a big kick of his posts defending the indefensible, but then again, he's a mindless Republican that follows the party doctrine, just as Haswell follows the other party's doctrine.

Haswell is a has been or never was. I hope is soap box is attacked by termites. Haswell, Klein and Obama should be poster children for why boy/childs should not be elected to office. They are not packing the experience, maturity and judgement required. There is an old saying "those who can do. Those who can't go into politics". This horse has been flogged to death over the past five years. Give it a rest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Y-S: Loomis: Looks like I am going to have to get up earlier if I want to make a post. You both stated exactly what I was thinking while reading this LTE.

YS and Loomis,

Klein owes an apology to Dr. Rameriz for trashing his career. But to do that, he would have to admit some error on his part and Klein isn't man enough to do so like most gutless politicians.

Loomis, I do agree that he is a mindless feckless hack for the republican party.

Robert Capp

I know Aaron Klein personally. I can tell you he is an honest young man. He believes that he caught Ramirez doing something wrong. I think Ramirez did, also. I think Ramirez got lucky with the FPPC not wanting to go after him. Let’s face it; the FPPC has to have a lot on someone before they go after them for this kind of thing. The “Grand Jury” was a joke. It was full of liberal activists. There was no objectivity at all. Let’s look at the state of Sierra College since Aaron and a few conservatives were voted on the board. They balanced the budget. They created a surplus of money that has kept that school going in these uncertain economic times. If Aaron and the other fiscal conservatives didn’t come along when they did, that school would be in trouble today. Most of the opposition to Aaron is simply politics, like the game political hack, Haswell is playing. If you ever sit down with Aaron and talk with him, you will leave with a very good opinion of him. He’s good guy.

Patrick,

Let's look at the destruction that Klein did after being on the board for one meeting! The damage he did to Dr. Rameriz was done without conscience or foresight into what it would do to the man's long and distinguished career or the school. This for me is NOT a political game as you have suggested it is for some, rather this is an important part of being a responsible person - something that Klein is not acquainted with.

Also, there is more to the story about a "balanced" budget - every public school has to have a balanced budget, as well as a surplus for economic uncertainty - its the law! No getting around it, but look deeper into the school and you will see crumbling infrastructure, limiting schedules, too many part-time faculty and terrible staff morale - that is Klein's legacy!

Robert Capp

P50, your support of Aaron proves he is "the enemy within." I have spoken to Aaron several times, via email, and found him to be evasive and willing to lie at the drop of a hat. You support him because of his party loyalty and nothing else. You act like Klein is above reproach when he is not. Kevin Ramiriz is an honest man. If you deny that then you have never met him. I know you won't back down from your support for this punk just because he is well entrenched and owned by the RNC. Aaron Klein was used, willingly, by the local RNC. You won't face the facts and try to derail the truth. It was an effort to gain control of the college's money. Aaron should try to help the college, not his GOP supporters.

Chuxx: Man, you have a lot of hate. You need to lighten up.

Klein *presumed* Ramirez intentionally failed to disclose information required by law. For that, he should apologize.

But then, Haswell and his liberal Republican friend Jon Green "presume" that the local Republicans were doing something wrong with their acceptance and subsequent contribution to a Republican campaign. There was not even an FPPC violation, let alone any indication of wrongdoing yet these people are willing to make the presumption and then trash local party leaders based upon that bogus presumption.

Apologies are due from more than Klein.

You can all bad mouth Haswell all you want, but the question is...does he speak the truth?

Bob, I looked at the books for Sierra College and found that they were not balanced before Klein first came aboard. I will attempt to get them for you. That school was in financial trouble because of Ramirez and others. This whole Klein thing is a political hatchet job, in my humble opinion. Bob, I know you to be a reasonable man. To say Aaron is not responsible is way out there. Have you ever met him? He’s a good guy and I stand by him.

Chuxx, oh Chuxx, You have a lot of nerve telling me that I will try and “derail the truth.” Where do you get off with this cr@#? You talk out you’re a## too much. My support of Aaron “proves he is the enemy within”? What the……? I’m not a Republican, Chuxx. You are all over the place here. You can have your opinion of Klein without me making denigrating remarks about you. Do you think you can offer the same level of respect? If not, go away. I have known Aaron and his family for many years. I know him to be an honest young man. My original point was that he believes he caught Ramirez doing something wrong. I also believe that if Ramirez was a conservative, many on the political left would have gone after him. And, if Aaron was a liberal, you would be hailing him as a great man. That’s just my opinion. Good day to all.

steely, I already demonstrated that Haswell has committed the same sin he attributes to Klein...and he has less basis than Klein did.

Let us assume that Mr Klein truly believed he was doing the right thing. The fact that he refuses to acknowledge that, in that belief, he was wrong is disturbing to me. No one is immune from making mistakes. If he truly had the College's best interest at heart, and he helped to oust a man he believed to be harmful to the college only to find out years later that the same man he ousted has been exonerated...don't you think Mr. Klein, if he be a reasonable and honest man, be willing to step up, and issue an apology? I know it can sting when one finds out that they are wrong on an issue they have been passionate about. However, such rigidity is unfortunate. If he cannot be self accountable, how can he hold other accountable?

it says here that klein wants full disclosure and a healthy democracy.maybe he should give back some of the blood stained money jtd gave him,as should all who profited by jtd pac money.our political halls are littered with people who went to pastey faced john for cash,which as we all know now came from true scumbags like the ones who are in prison now.they are in prison because they are criminals.the list of those who got into office is longer than my arm,the board of sups,school distric administrators,has beens who our governor put on water boards.we know who you are and so do you.how do these people sleep.expect no nothing from this crowd,they are too big to fail.

ChristinaO: There is really nothing to say that Klein is wrong, only that he has not been proven right. You understand the logic don't you?

A=B, A !=C therefore B !=C

Nobody proved that Ramirez did not intentionally fail to report contributors. There is proof that he failed to report them, but no proof of intent. There is also no proof that he did NOT intend to fail in the reporting.

Klein really does not owe anyone an apology. At worst, he was mistaken. At best, he was right. Nobody but Ramirez knows for sure.

If I were Klein, I would apologize just for the fact that I made assertions based upon beliefs that could not be backed up, but perhaps he is still convinced based upon some intangibles?

Now, as for Haswell...there is clear and compelling evidence that the Republican Central Committee was 100% within the letter of the law in their handling of recent donations and contributions. Haswell has maligned them on the basis that he thinks they were violating the intent of the law, if not the letter. There is no such thing as violating the intent of a law...at least not yet. You either break a law, or you do not. But again, its down to intent. Haswell is presuming evil intent without any evidence to justify it.

Are you going to go after him and demand an apology, or are you a hypocrite?

From the 2006 Grand Jury Report: "Unfortunately, the Committees and the Foundation failed to report the contributions of

some individual donors to the California Fair Political Practices Commission. They were clearly in violation of the law."

In the report from the FPCC what did they actual look for. What is the political makeup of this board?

We will never know why Ramirez allowed his contract to be bought out. The simple message is Sierra College has done better economically in a down turned economy, then it was doing under Ramirez leadership during an extraordinary period of economic growth.

Rob Haswell is only after exposure that will keep his name in the news, while he waits to file his papers in the next election.

Well said Fourgen.

YS,

"If I were Klein, I would apologize just for the fact that I made assertions based upon beliefs that could not be backed up, but perhaps he is still convinced based upon some intangibles?"

"assertions based upon beliefs that could not be backed up" lol! the rest of us call that a lie, libel or slander.

"he is still convinced based upon some intangibles" intangibles are imaginary thoughts

I couldn't stop laughing when I read this feeble attempt to rationalize making things up and passing them off as truths.

Chuxxr, can we now have your comment on Haswell.

The more I read this the more convinced I get that if compared to a say a murder trial that the defendant can be found guilty of the murder but innocent on the intent, so he walks. Does that make sense to anyone else? it doesn't to me. Lack of knowledge of the law does not make a person not guilty of violating it. Heck, in all of the speeding tickets I've gotten I had no intent in going that fast, it just happened, I didn't think I was going that fast.

By the way, I don't buy the "it may be legal but it's not ethical" either, that's just a very subjective way to see someone as a criminal regardless of how the outcome of the investigation, trial or whatever was.

ChuxxR: Intangibles are things that are indicative but not proof.

For example, if Ramirez failed to disclose donors who stood to profit from a ballot measure (he did) it would look very suspicious, but would not be proof that he intended to violate the law. It could simply be coincidence. Given that it provides some indication of intent, but cannot prove it, its intangible.

See you at the central committee meeting next Wednesday YS.

YS exactly a lie by another name. But intangibles are more than that. I would describe intangibles as. If one can think about it it must have some value, but, it still can't be proven. Zero divided by Zero is an example. Klein's dirty on this one.

I think the most profound difference between my comments about the Placer County Republican Party situation and Aaron's Klein's actions in the Kevin Ramiriz situation is this: My comments may have resulted in a bit of indigestion for Yosemite Sam and loomisresident, but really nothing more than that. Aaron's actions have resulted in a $500,000 bill, payable by the taxpayers of Placer, El Dorado, Sacramento and Nevada counties.

robhaswell,

Not quite, a good man and educator lost his position and his career when he was trashed by Klein. I'm talking about a person here, not money or indigestion! This was a man's calling and career and it was trashed by a punk with NO regard to the consequences. You will never know what it is like to be an educator as a calling, rather than a job until you are one.

Robert Capp

robhaswell, your comments have not had their full effect yet. Perhaps you and your allies on the Republican Central committee will lead to many taxpayer dollars wasted and maybe even some lives altered permanently...and all based on innuendo.

I agree that there is no observable difference in the innuendo used to base your allegations, and those Klein used against Ramirez. Perhaps you have some intangibles to give you comfort?

haswell, not being a Republican you didn't give me any indigestion. However I see that you equate money, lots of it, to minor differences. I think that Bob Capp's definition of wrongdoing is much more appropriate.

Please don't go patting yoursrlf in the back for giving me indigestion, you didn't. My statement stands, you and Klein are both hacks, just on the opposite sides of the political spectrum.

I find it funny all the fuss over Kevin, when closer to home and on a comparison/percentage basis the actions of a former local board member, who WAS found guilty by the FPPC cost taxpayers much more, yet not one comment! What is really going on here, political motivated Klein bashing? Wasn't he elected twice, once after the Grand Jury report? TIme to move on, participate in the process, if you don't like him run a candidate against him the next time. By the way specifically what issues and votes has Mr. Klein supported since the departure of the Former administrator that people do not like? I do not like the whole issue that happened, but obviously there was a lot going on back then that created lots of concerns and questions, battling and more, issues regarding staff promotions & improprieties etc... I do not hear as much negatives these days, and it seems the board is working hard for the community and the school as they best see it.

mfg, yeah let's sweep it under the rug. No reason to question why a RNC hitman could disrupt the BOT and the administration of the college. I hope that Kevin is due for his comeuppance. Klein is not qualified to sit on the BOT of any school. He hasn't attended a day of school in his entire life and does not realize the importance of student/professor mentor ship. The only defense of Aaron comes from partisan hacks. He was voted in twice because he has the support of the RNC and we have mindless voters. He needs to be removed from the BOT, NOW!

Chuxxr, my friend, just because some one's vote is not to your liking doesn't make that person a mindless voter. That said, if we were to make people quit every time that they do something we don't approve of then we would have no form of Government at any or all levels. Besides, I hate to start seeing coups in the US, we vote them out, not force them out.

loomis, it's blind partisanship that votes on party loyalty. We don't get the best we get screwed.

ChuxxR, Other then your absolute hatred for anyone that is not of your political persuasion,followed by a mental hangup on a few you hate. What would Klein's immediate resignation do for the college beside getting your jollies off? If the voters vote him out, that is their choice, you are not the judge, jury and executioner. It sad to see someone filled with such a vile hatred that it is all they can think about.

You must be leading a miserable existence.