Four Auburn teens in jail for home break-in
Deputies arrested Chana students on campus
Four Auburn juveniles are in custody after allegedly breaking into a Garden Valley home with guns and assaulting the resident inside. On Friday, authorities revealed that three males were pulled from class at Chana High School in Auburn Tuesday. A fourth was arrested in the Auburn area but officials could not comment further as to where. El Dorado County Sheriff’s Department detectives arrested them, according to Lt. Bryan Golmitz, spokesman for the department, in connection with a Sept. 25 home break-in. The juveniles allegedly broke into a home at about 11:50 p.m. on the 5900 block of Johntown Creek Road in Garden Valley. They reportedly assaulted a resident and ran out of the back of the house after stealing several marijuana plants from the backyard. Golmitz said investigators found at least three guns at the home in connection with the robbery and break-in. Deputies arrested 20-year-old Cool resident Louis Mendicino on scene. Mendicino was found in the driver’s seat of a Jeep parked in front of the home. The vehicle caught the attention of a deputy because it had duct tape over the license plate. Mendicino was booked into El Dorado County Jail on charges of first-degree robbery, use of a firearm in the commission of a felony, battery, conspiracy to commit a crime and burglary. He remained in custody Friday on $255,000 bail. The Auburn teens were booked into juvenile hall in El Dorado County. While a specific list of charges was not available due to the teens’ minor status, Golmitz said they were arrested on robbery charges. As of Friday, they were still in custody, Golmitz said. “Based upon the alleged circumstances of them breaking and entering into a house with guns and committing battery and stealing, they’d be considered a risk to release,” Golmitz said. Golmitz said investigative leads and statements led detectives to arrest the four juveniles but could not elaborate further saying the matter was under investigation. Golmitz added that the four suspects knew the victim in some way. “It was not a random act,” Golmitz said. “The suspects had knowledge of the victim.” Stan Parker, assistant principal of Chana High School, said the three students were arrested quietly on campus Tuesday. Two of the males had been given bathroom passes and were outside in the quad when detectives arrived. Parker said he watched as law enforcement approached the two teens and then placed them under arrest. The third male was taken out of his classroom and then arrested. Parker said the fourth juvenile is a Chana High student but was not at school on Tuesday. While the arrests were made without any incident, Parker said students were curious and others upset by what happened. He said it became part of the day for staff to discuss what information they had with students. “We tried to talk to students about why someone would be arrested and what are the consequences for doing the wrong thing,” Parker said. He said counselors were busy Tuesday and Wednesday talking about the arrests with students. “Some kids were upset because they knew the kids well,” Parker said. “Our school’s counseling staff was busy that day and the next talking to students who were upset and concerned.” Jenifer Gee can be reached at jeniferg@goldcountrymedia.com.
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Chana, is still a traning grounds for misdirected high school age students to advance their misguded way. Do any of the three have a parent?
Don't blame the school blame the individual.
this is why pot should be legal or this is why pot is illegal. take your pick.
getalong- You are a good example of why the world is up side down.
getalong - Armed assault into a person's home is committed by ruthless people. Pot doesn't have much to do with this crime, greed does.
Make sure you blame the school , Mmm, mmm, mmm.
These kids made a bad decision that had nothing to do with their parents or their school.
gregcalac- Should we give then the Nobel Peace Prize?
Maybe he should get the Nobel Peace prize, he might of thought he was doing the world a favor? I guess that qualifies as a winner? Mmm, mmm, mmm.
First of all chana did not do anything to comfort anyone actually as I recall the cop at the school was laughing about it and mr. parker the assitant principal confinscated a phone when one of the boys girlsfriends was trying to contact his mother an was very rude.
Those boys will be getting out this month hopefully according to what i heard.
They did nothing wrong.
rachelyeee- In the mean time they will get in touch with their feminine side. Mmm mmm mmm.
I don't see why the chana staff should do anything at all. In fact it is probably the best lesson taught to them for the day.
Burglary is burglary people, these young criminals will get a true taste of the system... Their parents will get to foot the bill as well in a variety of ways for years to come:) You Play, You Pay!
auburnative wants to see sexual abuse in jail of minors, mmm... mmm.... mmm weirdo.
Ah, good old Chana High School. When I attended Placer High, Chana is where you sent those losers who could not fit in with society. It hasn’t changed a bit has it?
Some Placer High grads go on to institutions like Penn State, while most Chana High School graduates go institutions such as the state pen.
kittyv - It's what happens in the jail weather you like it or not, freak.
Rabidog - Chana High School students are not just the "losers" as you want to view them. They are also the kids from homes where the parents are unstable. They are also the kids who have mental health problems most of us don't want to be bothered with. Penn State is not on the radar, nor will ever be, for many of these kids, in part by their own doing, in part by their family life and in part, by a society who does not care. You seem rather snobbish...
What ever happened to just ordinary folks who held the blue-collar jobs that everyone depends on?
BTW: These guys ought to carefully consider the places they choose to do their home invasion hits. There could quite well have been four funerals in Auburn this week if they entered the “wrong” residence.
Obs- Just saying it like it is. You make a good point, but Chana still remains the custodial center for mis-fits.
has nothing to do with the school. the kids went to the house to get the pot. if pot was sold at walmart this wouldn't happen. i was just presenting a view and the antithesis of my own for discussion. but lets not blame the school, parents or children. the trouble here is they thought they could sell and/or smoke the pot to make some money because its illegal and expensvie as a result of the risk associated with growing/selling.
Lets not forget they are kids. Sometimes kids make mistakes. Maybe they will learn from their mistakes and not lead a life of criminal activity. Lets not give up on them right away. Chana high seems to do the best they can with what they are handed and cannot be responsible for them 24/7. I am sure no teacher or staff at Chana would condone illegal activity.
Rabidog, My son attended Chana High School because he didn't want to go to Placer High School because of all the bullys, pot smokers, cigarette smokers,class cutters and downright a**hole kids that attended Placer. He chose independent study and eventually got his GED. You cannot assume that all kids that go to Chana are going to end up in Jail. Today he works full time and attends collage and has his own apartment. I would not call that a loser!!!! I think you should get off the pedestal you are on and get in the real world!
Auburnative is my new hero MMM MMM MMM LOL that is classic. I say we give this kid and the other 3, BIG FAT LIBERAL HUGS, a Michael Moore DVD movie collection and a guest spot on the View and Bill Maher shows. These poor children are not at fault, it is society ills, it is America, heck it is Sponge Bob's fault! Hug and coddle and these boys will become productive members of a liberal society.
Everyone is a victim today no one has to take responsibility, la la la.
rachelyeee,
So, they broke into a home, stole pot plants, and assaulted the resident--yet they did NOTHING wrong? What constitutes wrong in your world?
kittyv- Guess I have to bring you up to par since your head is buried in the sand, school kids our taught to praise Obama, in an Obama School Sing-Along! So I use it all the time (Mmm, mmm, mm!) to be patriotic!
What a great use of tax payers dollars.
rachelyeee, you have majorly screwed up priorities.
Isn't it kind of ironic that the people who have the least manners, who are the most arrogant, the most crass, are those who point, mostly sarcastically, with the biggest finger?
NOto2009, They all happen to be republicans.
so...enter the facts as they have been released by Auburn Journal: 5 kids go to a home to commit a felony crime while armed with firearms. 1). Conspiracy to commit armed robbery and residential burglary. That requires some planning and plenty of opportunity to think about why this is wrong. They did it anyway. 2). They enter a home while armed with firearms. They certainly didn't bring the guns because they knew the homeowners would just give them the weed...they expected resistance and a firearm is used to shoot to people who offer resistance. 3). They are kids that attend a school. Couldv'e been any school, and this fact is irrelevant when taken in context to what they did. The fact the school offered "comfort" is also irrelevant. Watching your "friend" get arrested for committing an inherently dangerous felony is a lesson unto itself. Choose your friends wisely, don't break the law and you won't get arrested in front of all your classmates.
Everything else..legal or illegal weed, school response, age of the perps, parents not controlling their almost adult kids, people growing pot in their backyard....all this side chatter is more intellectual masturbation. Attend to the facts.
Wait......what am I missing....."Four Auburn juveniles are in custody after allegedly breaking into a Garden Valley home with guns and assaulting the resident inside"
These poor teens are misunderstood, just wanted some pot and may learn from the errors of their ways.............???? are you for real??!!
4 teens
guns
assault
theft
DRUGS
middle of the night
duct tape on the license plate
premeditated
now...seems these 4 teens .... put some thought into this crime (yes...CRIME)
could have been 4 funerals ....so I think 4 jail terms would be appropriate...and heaven help the idiots who ever try to break into my home, assault and threaten me and my family!!!!!
Law abiding citizen
Deputy - I'm not sure what got you so riled up, but you are correct in identifying this as a crime against the well-being of another. I wouldn't want to end their lives if they had broke into my home, pot or no pot (no, I do not smoke or own pot), however, the degree of my self-defense or that of others in my home would be severe. It is kind of automatic with me and probably borderlines what law enforcement would call criminal, on my part. I have thought about this scenario a lot. I would feel very threatened if anyone, who was not drunk or obviously crazy, just aggressive, entered my home without permission. I have no doubt I would fight them using whatever I had available. I have been in the situation before and already know what my responses are. I had my house burglarized while I was at work one day and I can tell you that made me feel very unsecure...more so than I ever thought it would. It wasn't the loss of my things that bothered me, but rather the sense of vulnerability.
whatnext: OK, sorry. I'm glad your 39 year old son got his GED.....was that last year, or the year before?
Getalong. Your argument is not valid. The legality of cannabis is irrelevant. The criminal behavior, not the fruit of the crime, is the issue here. You state, and I quote, 'if they sold pot at walmart this would not have happened'. This leads me to believe you are for decriminalization of cannabis, right? Well they currently sell flat screen televisions at walmart and people break into homes and steal those.
They also sell automobiles at car dealerships. Do people still steal cars? Go smoke another one, snack on a twinkie, take a nap. When you wake up, before the bong hit, post a valid argument while sober.
The only people to blame here are the kids who were stupid enough to think they'd get away with it. I hope they learn from it... a life of crime is no life at all.
Rabidog, means sick dog dons't it? He's 21. And not a loser. Wish i could say the same about your attitude!
Observer.....I'm not riled up and nor do I beleive someone's life should be ended over 'pot'...what I am concerned about is someone breaking into a 'home' as these teens did.... and 'someone' who is being 'assaulted' 'threatened' and 'in fear of their lives' as to what these teens may do to them... expecially since they're being 'threaten with guns, anger, a terrorizing situation'...do you not think that the possiblity may lie that someone ...just might..... defend themselves and their family????
I'd say it could have been a strong possiblity....
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I also, have had my home burgularized
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my wife was severely assaulted, left disabled and and today still suffers horribly from an attacker that 'did not have a gun' but feet and fists.
So...yes...observer...now I might be a bit 'miffed' and a bit 'riled'.....that someone should put another in a 'life fearing situation' that you don't know their intentions and what they may or may not do......and actions that may have consequences for the rest of their lives.
I think the four are lucky they didn't pick a house where all of them got wasted by a ready occupant. Good picking, boys!
crtdeputy - I am sorry that your wife was assaulted and you were either not in the capacity to protect her or not there to protect her. It must be hard for you to handle. As a former court employee (myself) and you as a current one, you know that the victims are many, on both sides (the assailant's family as well as the victims'). I wish there was a way that these offenders could understand how far the damage goes that they inflict on others.
Deputy - go talk to someone outside the system (it is suicide to admit you are influenced by this to your bosses) and get help with the anger you feel. I don't want to see you undermined in your job. I am sure you are a very good deputy and this experience could jeopardize you...
good point harley rider. and i dont care one way or the other if pots legal personally. but the next time someone says "pot never hurt anyone" or "nobody gets stoned and commits violence" lets all remember this story. hope the kids get their sh!t straight. probably seemed like a good idea at the time for them and the fact they go to chan probably oes to prove they have poor impulse control.
Observer......are you a psychologist? or a psychoanalyst??
I've been retired from the department for many years.
My wife was assaulted 'prior' to my knowing her.......or I would have protected
My home was burgularized 'prior' to my becomning a Sheriff many many many years ago...oh..and just in case ...you want to analyize my life further....It was in a different county.
I met and married my wife....shes's always been supportive of my career choices.....we have a wonderful family....I enjoy my children and grandchildren....have great neighbors....no anger issues...no social issues......
so Observer......what now do you 'forsee' in my future and suggest????
and yes observer....I've had an wonderful career....(45 years worth)....and retirement has been even better.
Learn to Enjoy and not to 'assume'
crtdeputy - I know, I know, only a fool gives counsel to an angry man. I'm guilty. Do I need to be a psych tech to recognise your anger and say some kind words to you? I am sorry if I have offended you in any way, but not sorry for hitting a nerve. I have seen some people, very tough on the outside, kind of self-made men, who have not done much suffering in life. What finally humbles some, can be devastating. May you have a long retirement and good health to enjoy it with. Peace to you and your family...
"These kids made a bad decision that had nothing to do with their parents or their school." If they had parents that were actually aware of where their children were in the middle of the night and they condone this behavior, yes, the parents are responsible.
Check the state evaluation of where Chana ranks, it is at the bottom of the heap. The bad choice by these youg hoodlums happened when they tried the easy way and choose Chana. You are judged by who you "hang" with, Cahan just makes it easier for those that are mis-lead.
I went to Chana... from there I joined the Navy and had a successful career in aviation. Have been a father, a kindergarten teacher, and an assistant for Placer Action Corp. How is that the 'bottom of the heap"?
Chana is a godsend for those who need a different form of education than what is offered at Placer. Not everyone at Chana is a delinquent.
Fourgen: You will be judged by how you judge others. Right now you're stacking up worse, or at least as bad, as the kids in the story with your current badditude. I have no doubt they're as belligerent as you seem to be. You guys should get together and hang out... maybe you can swap "who's a bigger dip$h!t?" stories.
Observer, don't patronize crtdeputy with "getting a hold of your feelings before you jepeordize you career". You've said crap like that to me before. We have all been victimized at some time or another. it doesn't mean we're going to let it affect the way we live our lives or do our jobs. I work with victims all the time and just plain don't like the people who victimize, yet if they broke into your home, you would hand them a Bible and have them pray with you. (Yeah, like that's going to work). Law enforcement has cleaned up more blood than you'll ever see in your lifetime, and they still get up in the morning and go to work without a problem. They do it because they care. And they know more about crime and recidivism than you ever will. Maybe have a sit down with a law enforcement Chaplain some day, maybe you'll wake up.
crtdeputy, Observer is not a psychoanalyst, she was a clerk in the courts, yet is anti justice system. She made money and benefits from the very system she trashes. Go figure.
Rabidog, your 10/10 post....now that was funny. GED? His mother must be proud.
Analyst: You're way off. Though creative... way off.
Why does she get under your skin so? Are you really as bad of as she claims you to be? I wonder. As upset as you get it would appear that, yes - you are. Take five mins... and go do something that relaxes you - like killing a puppy or something. It'll be ok.
"Law enforcement has cleaned up more blood than you'll ever see in your lifetime" - that's the biggest bull$hit statement I've read in a long time.
You crack me up. :)
The level of naive around here never ceases to amaze me. God... I could tell you stories about the military that would smack that starry-eyed look off of people's faces.
Birch. Although your military stories are probably interesting and entertaining they are irrelevant here. The military does not conduct enforcement on US soil so your stories do not apply. I'm sure you have seen your own share of blood on foreign soil but LE cleans it up on this side. Try again from another angle.
Birch - nice response
Analyst - I have a lot more books in my library than just a Bible. What makes you think you know anything about me? From the sound of your comment, you don't. First of all, outside of being deputized, I was never a court clerk. I have had local Chaplains refer people to me, as well as referrals from Sisters of Mercy Convent and in fact, I am certified,cleared and have my badge, to be called upon at Auburn Faith Hospital for spiritual matters. It is a matter of heart and service. I don't clean up much blood but I have heard many confessions that most would find unbelieveable. I saw enough in my years as a court employee to speak with authority about what I do say and I know a lot of deputies who are still glad to see me when I run into them. I am far from being anti-justice system and you making a comment like that is somewhat slanderous as well as untrue. Just because you work in Victim Witness, does not make you good at what you do and obviously, not very tactful either. Since you think so highly of yourself, nothing anyone says to you will change your mind about whatever you think. So be it
Harley: Ok, you're right. I was just trying to illustrate government agency with my own experience. I shouldn't have said that the police don't see their share of violence. They do.
My point is... Analyst is naive. That's all.
When someone tells me and others we need counseling to deal with our anger because of our job, when they have no authority to make that assessment, they insult my intelligence. When they tell us to do it without our bosses knowing, that's rediculous. Law enforcement has to pass a psychological exam to make sure they can do the job. She has no idea what she's talking about.
wow. so did i read something somewhere about some kids who stole some pot or something? cut out the tit for tat. for cryin out loud we all think each others a nut and thats what makes us sane. rely on your sanity by assessing your neighbor... footballs on gotta go.
Some of you folks don't know squat about Chana. There have been lot of kids that had their life turned around at that school. Some of them have worked for me and others have jobs and families in the community. The kids that get kicked out of Chana end up in community school.
Community School is run by Probation and is one step away from Juvenile Hall. Even some of the kids at Community School have turned their life around. There are about 20 kids in Community School. It runs from 8am to 5pm and is staffed by a teacher and a probation officer.
Birch is right, law enforcement without military combat experience don't know what blood is.
Right on, Jon. I couldn't agree more in regards to Chana. I used to work at Placer Action Corp. and the kids there would also work from 8-5. School in the morning and the CCC in the afternoon. It was a great program... I was sorry to see it go.
I'm glad we can agree on that.
That... and the military experience bit.
getalong: What was the final score of the 49'er game? It wasn't looking so good.
fourgen,
You quoted me.
I know what you're saying is true, and I agree with you. Parents do need to know where their kids are in the middle of the night. But sometimes kids are not where their parents think they are.
I find it hard to believe that Mom and Dad suggested they go over to so-and-so's house with weapons and rip them off. Those guys decided that on their own and they need to be held responsible for those decisions.
Analyst - Ahh...but you are wrong for I do have the authority, experience and knowledge. You just don't know it, and frankly, I don't care because I don't have an ego to defend. What I had to say was for your (& the deputy's) benefit, not mine. You will have to find someone else to argue with.
Psych exams don't bear much weight with one's ability to demonstrate dignity, atleast with what I know. Risk management is a big factor. Of course, government administration and business management isn't your thing, so I won't hold your comments against you. If I have truely done anything wrong, then I apologize, otherwise, Enough said
Jon - Thank you for speaking up for Chana High School and Community School. You certainly know what you speak of
I won't hold your comments against you either Observer. Let us pray together that you can get counseling for your anger and bitterness toward the people who protect you and the justice system who works hard to make sure your rights are protected.
Analyst: It sounds to me like someone forgot to go kill those puppies like she was supposed to. Maybe if you eat them while they're still alive you'll be able to face the day tomorrow.
P.S. Hire a babysitter if you need someone to protect you.
P.P.S. I know I gave you the coveted "Troll" crown before... glad to see it hasn't been wasted.
Analyst - Your youthful naivety and the trust you place in places you should not, for lack of wisdom, may cost you some day. Idealism, rather than reality, is an illusion that many selfish men has used against his weaker neighbors, for their own gain. Pride can blind the best of us and lead us into places where angels fear to tread...
"The military does not conduct enforcement on US soil so your stories do not apply"
Wrong..i guess the Coast Guard is not relevant......and for your information, there is a USCG station at Lake Tahoe, amongst hundreds of others located in the continental USA, but i guess that is not US soil....
The USCG? Come on. Get real. They are more along the lines of homeland security now. You don't see thendoing car stops or burglary investigation in roseville.
wow...how quickly these blogs degenerate from the orignal story line.
I appreciate having a USCG station near at hand. Check their web-site, or better yet...go chat them up at the dock in Tahoe...dedicated group of folks willing to pull my sorry rear from the cold waters when things go bad. I like having dedicated deputies, cops and highway patrol near at hand, because they are willing to do and see things people just don't appreciate, and live with the aftermath of what they saw. What you see in print is the santized version and does not include the smells, feels and sounds of reality. I am happy to have dedicated military folk...executing the mission of our country and coming home with images burned in their memory they will never forget.
Oh...were there some kids who committed a dangerous felony behind this original story somewhere? I can't seem to recall now.
The Coast Guard is actually part of the military. They deal with all kinds of trouble... drug traffickers, human traffickers, pirates, rescue, etc.
It'd be easy to consider them as "Navy-lite", but the fact is... they work hard.
I agree with with many comments here:
YES....there could have been 4 funerals...has these 4 males picked the wrong house for their home invasion...
heck just read the "Armed citizen" in the NRA magazine....lots of fearful/victimized people have 'shot and killed' intruders meaning to perpertrate harm....... so yes, these 4 males could have met a very different fate.
Good comments from many.....I agree with the initial thoughts of....rabiddog, analyst, crtdeputy, harelyrider etc
then there are always the 'nut cases' that crawl out of the woodwork....
I find the 'angriest, insocial, patronizing, condescending, contemptuous, disdainful, arrogant, overbearing, judgemental, insulting, scornful, disrespectful, rude, insensitive, degrading, abusive, noxious, demeaning, shameful, undignified person on these postings to be: "Observer"
This person gets the prize!!!
Observer - I would not 'want or wish' your counsil in matters of "Heart and Service"!!! I would not trust you with my "confessions"!!! or want to deal with Observer as stated in her/his own words....(...*frankly, I don't care because I don't have an ego to defend)
Observer...follow you own advice....*YOU need to go talk to someone outside the system (it is suicide to admit you are influenced by this to your bosses) and get help with the anger you feel.............
PEACE
Ha! Your opinion maters so much!
God... who knew that Anal-retentivist had a boyfriend? Not me.
Stick around a little while, Howlie... you really haven't earned an opinion just yet.
BirchBricker.....and you would take away..my....'freedom of speech'??
and who are you to decide whether or not opinions matters??
Who put the crown on your head??? seems thy doest protest too much.....
Ya I just might stick around for a bit......
Oh....and how was your breakfast....as I can see your ready to face the day.....*wink....wiggly ain't they!
BirchBricker, you need to let Observer defend herself. You're acting from emotional involvement and you can't be objective.
Howlin_wolff might have gone a bit over the top in the adjective department but Observer's statements to crtdeputy were way out of line.
I, too, have close family who have been victims of violent crime, the kind where the evil baS&K*D is sitting in San Quentin on death row right now for more than one death sentence.
To make her statement, I'm sorry "you couldn't protect her" was just insulting and wrong. Then she continues saying how qualified she is to make those statements which says more about where she is in her "journey with God" than she could when she "ministers" to the rest of us.
She owes that person a major apology.
Thank BirchBricker...I'll enjoy hanging with ya all....
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keepingupdated....good post....I couldn't have said it better.
my apologies ....for getting a bit miffed and the excess of my adjectives.....
Birchbricker....let me know when I've earned some 'good time' and my posting stripes..... *smile........
I've enjoyed reading these posts for a long time...and just though it was time to join in
Enjoy the day!
You know what, guys?... You're right. It's hard for me not to get emotionally involved with Observer. I find it easier to take knocks myself than for her. She can handle herself... but don't think I wont say anything in the future.
Howlin_Wolf: My apologies. I went overboard with my sentiments and ended up sounding way too big for my britches. Welcome to the blogs. :)
Keepingupdated: Thanks for the reminder. I often consider leaving the blogs altogether because I'm guaranteed to get worked up about something that I should really just let slide. I'm not pandering here but I'm grateful that most folks here can see past my own folly and give me an elbow when I get out of line. :)
Anyways... take it easy.
I agree. The USCG is essential. As far as the comment about having to be prior military to be law enforcement is ridiculous. The reality is that American law enforcement standards and qualifiers are much more stringent than the military's.
Howlin - I think my previous explanations and apologies were enough but then some don't think so. I hesitated before replying to Analysts accusations (I should have kept my mouth shut), but I went forward with them anyway, not because I feel a need to defend myself, but rather to enlighten her as to my intentions. Again, with her, as apparently with you, it falls on deaf ears. That's ok.
As far as Birch goes, yes, he does protest, always about injustice, social evils, rhetoric, "the man", and other things. Is it too much? No...and I am grateful for how he puts his money where his mouth is. He gives much of himself out of compassion for others and he won't let anyone treat me unfairly or without dignity. Sorry for you that it offends you.
Keepingupdated - crdeputy came on so strong about his anger and after telling his story about his wife, it was apparent he was very frustrated because of it. I meant to help him, not bring out the "offended intelligence" crowd. Blogging can be difficult because it is hard to visualize who one is talking to. Getting a timing incident incorrect is not insulting and wrong, therefore, I would be a liar if I apologized for something I didn't do.
Observer, not acknowledging your own inadequacies and insisting you read the whole situation wrong is unkind. So much for empathy and humanity. I think the word is called humility.
You're correct in that blogging is difficult, but miscommunications are better admitted than defended and justified.
I know I'm coming on strong, but I've been close to that persons shoes and whether or not he could or would of "protected" her was not yours to provide commentary on. Saying you had empathy for the experience would have been more than enough. But no, you continue then to come on just as strong when several people have questioned your actions. I really question whether you should be on call for the Chaplains.
Imagine if these 4 teens broke in to your place, shot BirchBricker incapacitating him and proceded to assault you leaving you permanently disabled or injured. Would you use those same words to Birch? "I am sorry that I was assaulted and you were not in the capacity to protect me". Think about it.
Rabidog: Obviously you dont know much about chana. There are *!&^#% ups at every school not everyone at chana is one. Its can be a place for students to slack off an mess around but it can also be a big help to people looking to graduate the teachers help you an take intrest in you an want to see you suceed.
Greenbeans: They do have records an have chosen to do the wrong thing but i can honestly say they knew about the crime but they did not commit it they may be charged with conspiracy but they have no proof that they did what you people are acussing them of doing.
Now all you guys are sitting here wasting your time argueing over things that are irelevent.
These boys are inocent they chose to surround themselves with the wrong crowd an do the wrong things and thats their fault but if you knew these boys like i do you would know they are not capable of this crime. They are boys who may put up a front and party but they would never and i repeat never rob a house with guns and beat the crap out of some guy for some pot. Come on.
rachelyee, I'm no great speller, but I learned to put a D at the end of the word "anD" when I was in kindergarten. ....Slack off "an" (and) mess...teachers help you "an" (and) take "intrest" (interest) in you "an" (and) want you to "suceed" (succeed). An(D), it's accusing, not acussing, it's arguing, not argueing....basic spelling says drop the e and add ing. And it's irrevelant, not irelevent. It's innocent, not inocent. Sorry, Your lack of parental or teacher guidance failed you long before you ended up at Chana. Oh and the boys, don't believe everything they say, trust me.
Harley, My comment was the amount of blood and danger a law enforcement officer has to deal with is less than someone in the military who has been in combat.
Everyone should remember that "Chana students" are Placer, Del Oro, Colfax and Forrest Hill students. Most of these kids have challenges that make some sort of educational intervention necessary. Many kids who graduate from Chana go on to lead meaningful, productive lives. It is true that these kids kids were all currently enrolled in Chana when they were arrested. That does not make their arrest a product of Chana's curriculum. The teachers and administrators at Chana high School are dedicated educators who are committed to being part of the solution for the disenfranchised youth of Placer County. To blame the school that is actively trying to make a difference shows a lack empathy and understanding that is astonishing.
first of all i want to say just because a person attends chana highschool doesnt mean there a bad drug addicted person
because i myself attend chana high scholl and knew all 4 kids pretty well.
i myself dont use drugs or anything im just another placer high kid who got behind on credits and went to chan to make them up
so everyone who is blaming it on chana is beibg cery ignoranton there behalf because chana is juat another highschool
with a mix of "good" and "bad" kids
I love you everett :)
analyst:
You can stick your spelling up your ass.
Im sorry i dont excell in spelling it doesnt mean im not intelligent.
rachelyeee, i am Analyst's 12 year old son. When my mom saw your post she tested me by asking me to point out all of your misspellings. I noticed everyone of them, and correctly spelled all of them. Aren't you in high school? Im only in the 7th grade. You may be initelligent, but when you misspell that many words, it makes you look unintelligent.
Now this is from Analyst, The above comment was really truely from my son. He was affended by your last comment. Unlike you, he has respect for adults.
I meant offended.
Everyone, excuse me while I think of a sharp witted comment. I am a Chana High School drop-out, but GED certified. I knew these kids better than anyone has posted thus far, and believe me it isn't the schools fault. Most, if not ALL Chana staff, teachers and simple faculty alike strive to help and reach-out to all of these disenfranchised students. Whether they come from a broken home or just cant handle regular schooling facilities. In this case, all of these kids apply to those two things. Nonetheless that's no reason to beat someone senseless and take their pot. Anyways, in what way would what school they attend have anything to do with their personal life choices, I had no choice not to attend Placer, post E.V. Cain. Not because I was "dumb" but because I don't believe in the way Placer objectifies their students and turns them into sheep. They train them to do in part what some of you do on these comment boards, most of you are completely egotistical and self centered. You can't put yourselves in anyone elses shoes to realize you're NOT better than any other human being on God's green earth. That being said I've heard tons of Placer students, even a teacher or two talk down about Chana, and what really gives you the right? Chana's teachers pay individual mind into the feelings and stability of their students, to Placer teachers all kid's are just another face that comes and goes...
Any one care to correct my grammar?!
I know people who are alumni and currently attending Chana High. I cannot speak for the rest of the students there, but of the Chana High students I know. They are not bad people and definately not violent criminals. I have a friend who graduated from Chana two years ago and he was not forced to go there to make up credits, he put in for a transfer from Foresthill High. As for some older alumni, one is a Paramedic where I grew up and a damn good one at that. As for my friends still in Chana it seems they have a lot more ambition than some of my graduated friends. I think Chana is just a school of kids, who for what ever reason, either don't fit in or have trouble excelling in other schools and have come to Chana to follow through with what they started and get there diplomas. As for the crime that occurred, the children from Chana may have not know what they had gotten themselves into, until the last second. Your innocent until proven guilty in this country. And for most people who do use marijuana, I think most of them are not violent criminals.
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"As for the crime that occurred, children from Chana may not have known what they had gotten themselves into". These "children" were using stolen guns, taken from a previous break and enter. I don't think they could afford to buy stolen guns, maybe they just found them in someones front yard and decided to go in and see what else they could find. give me a break. yes, innocent until proven guilty in court, but lets use some common sense here.
justchillout, how in the hell would you know where they got the guns? you don't need to "buy" stolen guns, they're easily accessible from any not so attentive parent whom owns a gun...you're idea is just as far fetched as saying they made the guns themselves. unless you're a genius and just know this information, at least state your source. and yes.they're children, even people being 18 years of age can be a child..only they're all 17 aside from the driver..They deserve consequence. but definitely not 25 years in prison.,
I will not tell you where the guns were stolen from, but that I know the owner who was called when the police found them on the young men. Weather or not they will be found guilty of the other break in and robbery remains to be seen. And by the way most of the gun owners that I know don't own stolen guns. I don't know if they deserve 25 in prison, but I truly don't believe this was their first brush with crime. Maybe I would feel different if they did not have the guns. In my book when you are 17 and point a loaded weapon at someone with intent to harm or rob you are an adult. You have the right to your ideas and I am just stating mine, I did think people should know that the guns were stolen thats all.
but thats where your facts end, the weapons werent loaded. Still I believe there should be repercussion for their actions.
wait a minute! are we not taught a 'handgun' 'firearm' 'rifle' etc......is "Always CONSIDERED LOADED"????!!!!
Breaking and entering, home invasion, assault with a deadly weapon, robbery, attempt to conceal license plate, etc etc
Who cares whether the guns were actually loaded or not.......did they announce they were not 'loaded'? Did the victims of the 'alledged' assault know they were 'not' loaded????
What a shame our society is such.
Any residential theft or break in is a felony
If Chana is such a terrible school why do old men and women spend their time reading about what new trouble these kids have gotten into? Why did "Analyst" involve his 12 year old son in "stirring the pot" with rachelyeee? Obviously you get enjoyment out of Chana students. Chana was actually a school designed for students who would like to continue their high school degree and have a job at the same time. Now, kids who realize they can graduate by doing little to nothing, decide they want to go to Chana. If your child goes to Placer, Colfax, Del Oro, etc. Why do you honestly care what happens at Chana? Those 4 students did what they did because that's what they wanted to do. Not because Chana incourages it, and not because their parents allow it. Do you know their home life? Do you know what goes on around them everyday? No you do not.
GET A LIFE AND GET YOUR FAT ASS OFF THE COMPUTER.
Justchillout- I was just trying to make a point that three minors in High School were invovled in a crime accompanied by a 21 YEAR OLD. Honestly who do we think was driving, who is old enough to purchase guns/ammo and who had the duct taped license plate. We do not even know the extent of there involvement. And for all you know the 21 year old who isn't in school during the day might have a better chance at steeling guns. All I know is that this scenerio sounds fishy to me. How many 21 year olds do you see hanging out with a group of high school kids. I'm not saying people from 17 to 21 don't hang out in groups but 1 adult and three children.
what they did was stupid obviously they were'nt thinking but its not chana's fault every school has delinquencies..they make decisions for themselves, not the school. yeah because the school principle told them to go raid someone's house and steal their pot plants..yeah right.
Interesting range of reactions. Pot farm robbery at Green Valley? Guns used to hold up homeowner / pot growers? Duct tape over the license plate on the getaway car? Other pot farm and dope store robberies both in and outside our area? Can't be for real guys. We know all potheads are non-violent. Every pothead says so.
Rachelyee and smallz_chana? Your intolerance, and "potty-mouths" are showing. You should be concerned your friends could've been killed. Whether you view it as a "mistake" or not, you have to realize the homeowner could've shot your friends dead. And most likely not been charged. If one of your friends, even accidentally, killed someone, all your friends would be charged with murder. What they did was a violent crime and dangerous. They're going to have to take responsibility and serve time if convicted. Grow up.
A couple days ago, the U.S. Justice Department released a directive saying enforcement of marijuana laws should be de-emphasized and probably aren't the best use of agency resources.
Others who posted are right. Greed and stupidity are going to cause this to happen again. Often with disasterous results to everyone involved.
Birch and JonGreen. Too many of us in this area worked as Deputy Coroners and all cops get more than their share of lethality through the years. What you saw was just the same as what we waded through on a daily basis. Often over decades Let's both have more respect for each other's relative experience and service. OK?
Smallz, I am not critisizing Chana, re-read my post. Most of Chana kids, not all, but most, have issues BEFORE they even get to Chana.
Kevin,Josh,Adam, and Henk are getting out probably in less then 8 months so why dont all of you get a life an stop sittin on here obsessing over some kids you dont know
Jackie1, I think people are just fed up with people ripping us off. Why don't you have a talk with your loser buddies and tell THEM to "get a life" and stop victimizing people. You say we don't know these kids. I don't think you realize how much education and knowledge adults have. I know the behavior of kids like this. This is not the first time these wonderful friends of yours have committed a crime, and it won't be the last. I hope the next time they decide to rip someone off and assault them in the process, that they are met with some really nice fire power. I know I'm ready, bring em on. One of these days they're going to be in the pen with the big boys.
I know who these TEENAGERS not KIDS are.
They are IDIOTS>
They are GANG members>
this crime was not about POT,
It was Gang related.
It was RETALIATION>
Observer---Whoever gave you the right to tell ANYONE that they should seek counciling? Since when has counciling EVER helped anyone who did not want it or need it? I have a few anger issues of my own, but that doesn't give ANYBODY the right to tell me that I have to follow THEIR rules on how to deal with them! I have my own God-given rights to my feelings and ways to handle any issues that comes my way just like anyone else. How dumb of you to think that you REALLY do all that good with your job or your comments? I am willing to bet that it's people like you that have caused MORE trouble because of your liberal thoughts and lack of common sense!
Four kids "ROBBED" someone at gun point, (just as crtdeputy has explained) and you don't see the problem with that?
I'll tell you what would've happened if I would've caught them, I would've either dropped them myself or beat the living sh!t out of all of them at the school to show other kids, DON'T F*@K WITH OTHER PEOPLE OR THIS WILL HAPPEN TO YOU TOO! It's EASY, IT'S SIMPLE AND IT GET'S THE POINT ACROSS! If you knew someone was going to do harm to you because of something you did to them (such as steal from them), wouldn't YOU be crapping YOUR pants knowing that your beating was coming and nobody was going to stop it from happening?
That's why I think the deputies should capture these little sh!ts and haul them out into a field somewhere and let them put the boots to these little b@stards. Crime would be less if they did!
Mr_Armstrong, Observer will insult you and your intelligence in her unqualified attempt at psychoanalysis and to make you feel better about yourself. She does it all the time. She has more compassion for the criminals who victimize than she does for the justice system that keeps her safe. The very justice system where she fed from the Government trough herself.
Mr. Armstrong: Congratulations on a solution that would work and do a GREAT service needed with the sh*ts running the streets nowadays. If there was more Public Humility , I could guarentee there would be less stupidity.