Local ‘tea party’ folk flex collective muscle
Auburn’s Steve Cavolt remembers the rush of excitement he felt when he and 10,000 others gathered last April 15 for what organizers billed as a Tax Day Tea Party on the West Steps of the Capitol in Sacramento. “I felt exuberated,” Cavolt said. “I felt ‘wow,’ that there’s people like me out there.” Cavolt had become a part of a movement that’s praised in some circles, derided in others, but one that he and many like him are hoping to show even greater strength Friday when Tea Party demonstrators return to the state Capitol to make their voices heard again. Cavolt recently became Auburn organizer for the event and will serve as an observer at the demonstration, scheduled from noon to 5 p.m. “We’re just normal, productive people sick and tired of fiscal irresponsibility and burdensome regulations and taxes,” he said. While Cavolt, a glass and window business owner who took on the volunteer Auburn post last week, is registered as a Republican, he says that the Tea Party welcomes people from all parties concerned with the direction the nation is turning financially. “I voted for Bush but was very disappointed,” Cavolt said. “He spent way too much but the bottom line is do we continue on a spiraling spending program? We’ve given away trillions but I can’t see where it’s helped.” The movement has its share of doubters. Larry DuBois, Placer County Democratic Party chairman, said the question he asks as another Tea Party demonstration is slated to be held revolves around its timing. “I think things are getting way too crazy,” DuBois said. “Between the boisterous health-care rallies and Tea Parties, they certainly have the right to protest, but you have to wonder where were the tea parties when the last administration was spending billions on the war and kids were coming home in coffins, and while George Bush was getting us into a deficit of trillions.” DuBois said Tea Party demonstrators are getting their information from the wrong sources, not doing their research “or simply not that smart.” “”I think these people should volunteer to help the community rather than protest,” he said. “That would help America.” Cavolt said organizers are hoping for a crowd of 50,000. Buses are coming from Southern California as well as valley areas hard-hit by the housing downturn. Transportation includes three buses out of Nevada County. No bus transportation is being scheduled from Auburn. “I’ve just been telling people to get there very early and think about taking light rail,” Cavolt said. Mona Cook, an Auburn resident since 1997 who is registered as an independent voter, said she’s hoping to attend the protest if she can find transportation. “I just really feel for the people of California and what’s been going with government and health care,” Cook said. “It’s alarming and people are shaken up by it.” Cook said she’d like to see Democrats and Republicans work out their differences. “We’re not getting a sense of who’s in charge and there’s a real concern that they need to take things more seriously,” she said. Cavolt said he’s hoping the grassroots movement promoting fiscal conservatism will take root. “What politicians need to understand is the Constitution is ‘We the people,’” he said. “That is something that is completely forgotten. A lot of them say they know better than we do but we want them to vote the way we ask them to vote.”
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August 28 tea party Where: State Capitol west steps, Sacramento When: Noon to 5 p.m. Friday, Aug. 28 Key themes for organizers: Fight federal water diversions in the San Joaquin Valley that take water away from agriculture, oppose state environmental controls in Assembly Bill 32 related to global warming, bring down high taxes Speakers include: Radio talk show host Tom Sullivan; U.S. Rep. Tom McClintock, R-Granite Bay; Placer County’s Lew Uhler, president of National Tax Limitation Committee; Sacramento radio hosts Armstrong & Getty For more information: E-mail scavolt@cavoltand sons.com
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keep up the good work!
These are astroturf, phony "grassroots" organizations that are front groups for professional Republican PR firms that take funding from oil companies and Dept. of Defense Contractors. Russo Marsh and Rogers/Move America Forward, which did so much swiftboat smearing during the last election, and in 2006, is one of the firms involved with this. Their stated goal(s) are to thwart the Democratic agenda under the Obama White House.
They are not "bipartisan" and they are clever enough to keep changing the names they present to the public as the "organizers."
The current TeaPartypatriots.org site has as the header STOP NATIONALIZED HEALTHCARE and no listing for an Auburn group. The Nevada County group has a logo for the "American Liberty Alliance" which goes to the "American Liberty Tour" which is the same one being promo'd by Americans for Limited Govt. which is NY Developer Howard Rich- who works with David Koch Oil Co. of Americans For Prosperity. RMR/MAF actually runs the bus trip "American Liberty Tour" they will use to fundraise for their PAC to pay themselves. This PAC paid MAF people who were at the April 15 "protest" in Sacramento.
By the way, the CA Secretary of State's business portal lists only 2 businesses under S. Cavolt, and both are status "suspended."
They weren't getting any participants for their original theme for the Aug 28 Sac rally, so they changed it to water rights in the San Joaquin. Interesting.
I didn't want to get cut by the word counter/
RMR/MAF are DOD contractors for the semi autonomous state of Kurdistan in Iraq, they are their official Public Relations firm. This has been written up in more than one national news source. During the Bush adminstration, the Pentagon had a little known division which was paying a lot of these firms with your taxpayer dollars to do swiftboating smear jobs on a lot of Democratic candidates who were veterans that they didn't feel were sufficiently pro war enough. See McClintock's blogger's repeated use of the hanging effigy theme during 2008 and Doolittle's in 2006. See Eric Egland and the Pat Tillman coverup, same deal.
Mark Williams, ex rt wing radio jock, does a lot of the emceeing for these MAF/Teaparty events and has a blog where he routinely refers to Muslims as savages and to Obama as something akin to the Anti Christ and a [racist concept redacted to comply w/ terms of use]
These oil companies that have contracts with Iraq, which are currently astroturfing, organizing, and helping pay for these anti health care and anti insurance reform "protests" under the guise of it's patriotic not to pay taxes would rather the general public NOT realize they are behind this. They're going to get their DOD Pentagon money anyway, they don't want any money diverted to domestic spending and they don't want any windfall oil taxes.
Oil companies fooling retirees to protest against taxes= TeaParty Birfers.
So CanyonRat..Im a little confused by your message..is the Auburn group of Tea Party Patriots affiliated with the national group? And convey the same message..im all for no new taxes period.
Canyon, Who is busing in the SEIU members at the Health Care Forums? Have you heard of ACORN? As a member of two Republican Groups in Placer County, I can honestly tell all of you that neither the Central Committee or the Republican Congress has organized any Tea Party or Health Care Protests in Placer County. Maybe it's the quality of the ideas that the regular folks are protesting about. Of course Canyon believes that the regular people need to be protected because of their low intelligence and lower place in life than his. Regular people really can't think for themselves or for that matter do anything without the benevolent knowledge of the Canyon (I don't want anyone to know who I am) Rat.
I'm going to go to the party by myself, to show my displeasure for the direction I feel we are heading (and are quilte likely in) & to let my elected officials know they are going to be held accountable.
While I'm not too sure about their motives I'm always gad to see people protesting... whether I agree with them or not.
Jon: You can leave the "I'm mad at folks who don't share their real name" thing at home. I choose to use my real name but some people like the anonymity. Please be respectful of people wishes.
"DuBois said Tea Party demonstrators are getting their information from the wrong sources, not doing their research “or simply not that smart.” Guys & Gals---the quoted statement sums up the mentality of those who oppose the Tea Parties. They know better 'cause they're smarter---insufferable, eh?...pffffft
Birch, Some people may have a reason for not using their real names. I just think that if one really feels strongly enough to engage in stating their opinions, they should be strong enough to take the personal flack they might create. Let me try to be more clear. I'm sure some people fear that they might lose their job, be kicked out of a club, offend their family, offend their friends, not get a loan, not get a job, get harassing emails and any other negative reaction to their opinion; but if they really believe in their opinion they would stand behind it. I'm not demanding that folks use their real names, I just think they would be more effective if they did.
I don't know, Jon. I think that if you persist it'll make you really unpopular here. I'm just letting you know.
It's really nobody's business who the other folks here are. If you and I choose to use our real names... that's our business. If others choose otherwise.... that's their business.
I've given my email and my phone number out and I have never received anything bad from anyone. As a matter of fact I've gotten to know some of the bloggers better. I am,. however, obliged to keep their real name and personal information to myself.
Yes, the "or simply not that smart" quote is a very telling part of this article. How can we all ever work together if one group simply thinks the other is actually stupid? Sometimes when I hear Obama speak I feel like he is lecturing pre-schoolers, we are all just "wee-weed up" about health care. We all may not have all the info. or understand it fully (both "sides" guilty here), but to accuse people of being "not that smart" just makes this whole situation worse.
So YES I am all wee-weed up about this. Now it is time for my nap on my little mat on the floor after snack time. Wait, I am still need to have story time.
Jon: I agree with your position on using real names, but Birch is right too that we have gone down this road before. And many of the people who use monikers have come to our coffee meetings and let us know who they are in "real life." I guess with the way the web is so searchable people are nervous about what can be dug up and used against them. But if you can't say on here what you would say to someone's face or want known to an employer/church/organization, well...that seems kind of too complicated to me.
Gail, that's my point, but I'll take Birch"s advice. Birch, I got to the website you gave me but couldn't find the article. I quit worrying about being popular when I graduated from High School.I don't know anyone, including me, that hasn't done one, two, three or more stupid things in their past. Birch, send me an email at jgreengolf@aol.com and I'll trade you my niece's adventures in Afganistan with the Taliban for your article.
Jon: It should work... it works when I punch it in: http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=186844
If it still doesn't work email me at birchbricker@gmail.com and I'll send it to you.
Birch, I'll email you. Might be Safari on my mac.
I find it interesting that When President Obama won the election on a theme of "change" the left took it as a victory for the democrats. When in fact the voters wanted to "change" the same old tired status quo of the two party system that fights over everything. These protesters are some of the same people who voted for Obama. They voted to "change" the system. And so far, Obama has only showed himself to be a tired old liberal democrat just like it has always been. No "change".
If this were a true statement: "Auburn resident Steve Cavolt says the Tea Party movement is about a groundswell of grassroots sentiment and not about partisanship." I guess I wouldn't have seen so much Obama and Democrat bashing signs and chants at the Auburn Fourth of July parade.
Should government be more efficient with our dollars hect yes, should better decisions be made about where we stick our tax dollars world wide, hect yes. Especially before they ask for more money! But these issues both at the state and national levels didn't occur January of 09, they've been going on for quite awhile (multiple presidents) and if this were non partisan, it'd be discussed that way.
As someone else posted, and if true, I also find it funny that S. Cavolt has two suspended business entities with Sec. of State. There are two ways a business is generally suspended, they include failure to file your annual paperwork and failure to file tax returns and pay tax liabilities. Meaning, his businesses coulbe be part of the problem why many of us are asked to pay more, simply because others aren't willing to pay for their minimum responsibilities under the current laws.
"JonGreen" is lying when he says the Republican Party is not using paid, professional Republican Public Relations hacks to organize these phony "grassroots" organizations.
Oil Companies Fooling Retirees into Protesting Taxes and Fighting Health Care= Teaparty Birfers
I was at the first Tea Party in Sacramento. Canyonrat was not there. I spoke to many people that said they voted for Obama or were Democrats. It was a bipartisan event. Those that habitually spread misinformation, for example, Canyonrat, weren’t even there, but they think they know more about the event than those that were there. Who organized the event or promote it is irrelevant. The Democrats have ACORN and Moveon.org to organize and help with their protests. This is their way of attempting to discredit the event. The fact that so many conservatives are getting out to protest is amazing. These people don’t typically participate in protests. I think division in our country is widening. I think the people are beginning to realize we need to change the change we voted for in the last election.
“I think things are getting way too crazy,” DuBois said,,,man is he right...no one has any idea what they are doing either in the Federal Reserve the Whitehouse or in California....California just hired 1600 new people as millions of tax paying citizens are losing their jobs. We have had over 200 years to get this spending problem straight via our current form of government....how we doing with this two party system concept...or supposed two party concept system? Protest.. protest.. protest...let all your voices be heard...your voice may be the only thing you'll have left.... after this poorly managed fiasco is over.
Right-on Patrick---I was there briefly too. Nobody "organized" or "promoted" me to be there. I was just excited and happy that folks who have had enough were finally protesting and I wanted to be a part of it. What I saw reminded me of the crowd at a County fair or a 4th of July picnic more than anything else. These are regular people like many I know who are simply fed up with the BS. And no-- they didn't protest Bush---but you would be hard pressed to find many that think he did a good job. In any case---Bush's spending, while completely stupid, pales in comparison to Obama's. The tipping point has been reached. See you there today!
canyonRAT, I suggest instead of staying up until all hours (a 3:41 AM!!) imagining some right wing Christian Conspircy fostered by the brainwashing of 1 network and a couple talk shows, try looking into Apollo Alliance, or how about GE which runs the State Television Setwork aka (NBC), or how about Feinstein and her cronies, all of these get a bunch of our money? Come on now, I am a small business owner struggling to keep my doors open and my morgtage paid & I worry about the future of my kids. I was not pleased with the way our last administration operated with the democratic majority legislature at his side, but I am scared to all ends with the pedal to the metal approach the current administration and legislature has taken now that they are in the drivers seat. I will be going to the tea party as a dad, husband & small businessman, that's it nothing more. I want lower taxes, smaller government with less interference in my business and my ability to squeak out a profit, I do not support socialized medical care, I feel if Obama is serious about reform he will start with Tort Reform and will include Unions in the plan, I also feel that the government run programs now in place are so messed up that I could not begin to trust them with the health of my family. I am going to be counted and support the efforts to get this country back on the right track.
CanyonRat. How is your reading comprehension? What I said and stand behind is that local Placer County Republican organizations , particularly the Central Committee and the Republican Congress of Placer County have not done any Tea Party or Health Care organizing. These are two of the largest Republican Groups in the County. But, I forgot anyone that disagrees with you is a liar. Some local Republicans have organized groups to go to these events. They did it themselves they weren't using PR firms. Notice the difference in signs used by the supporters of more taxes and government health care? Which group is using professional sign makers?
I am sincerely curious, Patrick and any of you other other fine patriots that care to answer...
When was the last protest and activist participation that you were personally involved with against the government and it's policies prior to eight months ago?
What *active* roles have you played in protest movements and reform the government movements before 2009?
Peter, Be prepared CanyonRat is going to call you a liar and a tool of the military-industrial complex. How dare you own a business and be concerned about your family. Those ideas have no place in CanyonRats world view.
canyonrat please get some sleep, in the mean time I will keep my guns, money and freedom; you can keep the change & your misguided conspiracy fantasies
Wrighter, A better question would have been- What contributions have you made to the local community, state or nation prior to 2009? I've listed mine in a previous blog. How about telling us about yours?
Free speech is a good thing in principle except the current mislead Republican party, and the so-called Tea Party, is being dishonest and is misleading voters all for one purpose: to gather pay offs from big business interest...that would be Big Insurance, Big Pharmacy, Big Coal and Big Oil. This group has given up the Goldwater principles of: small government, balanced budgets and free market operations. I call them CINOs(Conservatives In Name Only).
Wrighter,
Great question.
Jon,
You are avoiding the question by tooting your own horn.
I never protested anything before. But I did go to a Jesse Jackson Rally at Sac State and voted for him in the democrat primary. I was also a paying member of the Nuclear Freeze movement back then. Subsequently I stopped taking LSD and 'Shrooms, grew up, got a job, had kids and became concerned more with reality. Today I am going to a Tea party because I'm tired of government BS.
How about all you libs---willing to protest just about anything---now in the pocket of BIG Government--- aka "the man" where's your spirit?
Ok Joszef, You asked for it. This is not a complete list. It starts in 1960. Community Service. It includes the community service of my wife. Community Service is a family affair.
UCD class president. Protested the UC Berkley free speech movement.
High School Teacher, one year
United States Army Infantry Company Commander
PTA member
School Board member
4H project leader
Placer County 4H Council President
President Placer County Fair Association
President Gold Country Fair Jr. Fair Board
Livestock Superintendent Gold Country Fair
Protested supervisors actions to deny the United Auburn Indians their rights to build a casino
Board of Directors Riding High
Board of Directors Gateway
Board of Directors 4H After School Program
President Republican Congress of Placer County
Elected member of Placer County Republican Central Committee
Board of Directors California Association of Youth Courts
President of National Youth Court Association
Candidate for Placer County Supervisor 1992
That's enough for now. Some protest, Some do. We think doing is better than protesting. We have tried to make government at all levels better by participating in it, not by protesting it. What are you doing to make the community better?
This will be the 1st political rally I will be attending, no one or no "regime" has scared me as much as the current ones, be it Nationally or State, what is the point?
Just to clarify the facts. Steve Cavolt is not the owner of Cavolt and Sons Glass. Their business entity is NOT suspended nor is
he in anyway affiliated with keeping the business practices or legal matters in order. Cavolt and Sons has been in business for over 27 yrs.
The article has blended Steve's personal life with a business that he has no legal say or ownership in.
Ummm J_P didn't ask for it.
Interesting approach though, Jon.... hugely arrogant, but interesting. That seems to be your style -- be it the screen names people have in an online forum or most any other topic I've seen you contribute to (I'm under no illusions that someone just might accuse me of being the same LOL, but I don't think I take myself as seriously as you do so it doesn't bother me).
A story above, and resulting comments, about protesting/demonstrating and social/political movements.... *that* was my question.... and for you that translates into all about you.
And Jon, I'm a loud mouth, a smart @ss, and I'm sure a disagreeable ideology for you and your ilk... but despite a broad and sometimes full-time commitment to social/political activism for more than a couple of decades (the handicapped and poverty holds my special interests due to my extraordinary circumstances as a child), I've never felt the need to compare johnsons with anybody or brag how big mine is....
It's about the goodness, not the glory.
Wrighter,
You are right, I did not ask for Jon's list of accomplishments as I do not think they are relevant to this conversation. Jon needs to get over himself.
Now.... any patriots want to answer my question above?
Myself, sourcreamandchives and peter have already answered your question wrighter. Guess you were just too busy comparing "johnsons" with Jon.
wrighter...glenn Beck is pushing some extenzzzzz products that may come in handy for this current debate...bigger is often better! At least...thats what I heard.
Thanks, whatisay... i did get carried away and missed the couple of replies buried by all of Jon's accomplishments when I wrote that. LOL
By the way, I mean those as honest questions above and I am "reaching across the aisle" to try and discover if it's a true bipartisanship endeavor here or not (because I only see right wing celebs/politicians typically at them or promoting them).
And I am equally interested if it is mostly a lot of first-time protesters here or not... I think it's a new(ish) phenomena to see conservatives become the protesters against "the man." (other than the - paid to protest - Brooks Brothers riot of 2000) And it's nice to see that you aren't getting the accusations of aiding and giving comfort to the enemies of our country (and other similar cries of *not* being a patriot) by protesting the government... which I've heard many a conservative give here over the past few years for saying anything negative about the president or administration policies.
I seriously welcome y'all to the protest arena and social/political activism... keep it up.
I am a Patriot, and I love my country, but I fear my government
SourCreamandChives,
You are so right man.
Government spying on citizens without a warrant: Not scary
Government holding prisoners indefinitely without trial: Not scary
Taking our country to war based on very weak intel or outright lies: Not scary
A government supported torture program: Not scary
Patriot act: Not scary
An administration manipulating terror alert levels for political ends: Not scary
Health care for all Americans: Super Scary
A smart black man in the executive office: terrifying (for many)
You folks need to stop blogging (which I admit is a lot of fun) and make some real contributions to the community. I didn't do that stuff for "glory" I did it because people need to step up and take responsibility and not just talk and write. Any one can do the stuff I did.
Wrighter, Perhaps you should take yourself more seriously. JP claimed I was avoiding your protest question. It must be scary to see Republicans, Democrats and Independents all protesting the same thing. I'm really not arrogant, just old and have done and seen a lot.
All of you who talk about the non protests of the bush admin are right. What you're missing is that we heard you folks complain about it for so long that you have our attention. Now, even though we should have made more noise when bush was in, we choose to do it now. I don't care what color this guy is. I don't care what party he's in. He's lied to us, over and over again. When they get to the point of major frustration they call us nazis and un-american. Keep it up, you're making the citizens of this country really know who you are. There is some form of revolution coming. I sincerely hope it's peaceful.
Your preconceived notions and assumptions about others are staggering, Jon. That's what I meant by arrogant. Age and experience have nothing to do with it other than your justification for such seeming superciliousness.
And you took a long way around answering my question... with a lot of fill... which is fine. Many of us are long-winded here (guilty!!). Thank you.
But I did see by your answer that you are in complete agreement with the Placer County Democratic Party chairman who was quoted above as saying; "I think these people should volunteer to help the community rather than protest. That would help America." Now you two can join in a bipartisan manner and share your message together. :-)
Jon,
You are still avoiding the question. You are not the only person here who regularly serves the community. I know some AJ bloggers who have a much longer list (with more esteemed titles) than yours, but who are too modest to wear it like a badge.
Placerpal,
Who has called you a nazi or un-american? What has Obama lied about time and time again ? Please be specific.
JP: Did you know that there is a bill being proposed that would give the president emergency control of the internet right now?
It's on a cite called CNET (which I have never heard of before) news.cnet.com.I would post the entire link but don't they censor that here?
Does that scare you?
wrighter...superciliousness...great word ..had to look that one up. Bet you have been waiting along time to slip this one in a sentence!
whatIsay...glad to see someone is paying attention.....its all pretty scary... now isn't it...and more fear is on the way............
whatIsay,
Yes, it is troubling. I will not be scared unless the bill is taken seriously. The dems are not the first to control the internet. Remember when the congress wanted to tier the intertubes?
JP: I don't know what "tier the innertubes" means. It brings to mind when I used to float between Milk Ranch and Lake Combie on a large truck innertube feasting on blackberries along the way. Or a visual of a large retaining wall of "tiered" inflated truck tubes (wouldn't work well I suppose) Anyhoo---ya got me...I give... what is it?
WhatIsay,
The congress tried to control the internet by prioritizing certain types of information through bandwidth allocation. The net effect would have been Government and major corporations "owning" the internet. I think it was called something like " the internet fair usage act". During the floor debate Ted Stevens (who was for this piece of legislation) described the internet as "a series of tubes", hence the terms intertubes.
O.K JP--That sounds like something I don't like either. Thanks for the explanation.
Just got back from the Tea Party, proud to be counted & toss my support to the cause. While I was there the primary focus was California issues. For me this is not an anti-Obama thing, it is a save what we have left of a system that until @*&#^!ized worked pretty well, and ensure I am able to maintain a voice that needs to be listened too. I am not protesting a single issue, or a single politician or administration - I am protesting planned changes, and bad past decisions that I feel have & will undermine our country, my state, my community, my business & most importantly my family.
PlacerPal, The revolution happened last November when 'We the People' took the country back. It's going to take time to undo the damage done to our civilization. That's your peaceful revolution.
You say that people call you " Nazis and un-American" but that's the empty rhetoric I hear coming from the right side of the fence.
Telling us that you "don't care what color this guy is. I don't care what party he's in. He's lied to us, over and over again. If you didn't care about these things then you would be extremely upset at the Bush administration and demanding indictments. I'm sure some Democrats would be under indictment as well. Then 'We the People' can do some spring cleaning. That's when the revolution begins and it wont be pretty.
Right now there are things that need to be done and Obama is doing them as best he can. No one in the house or senate can concentrate on anything but the money flowing around them and political ambition.
Obama's race is what woke the Americans from blissful ignorance. I just wish they weren't so grumpy.
ChuxxR, I took "jon green" 's offer up to google him and the California Congress of Republicans, since he was insisting that the local Repubs are "grassroots," which I have researched for several years now. Apparently "jon green" is our new blogminder.
According to their website, The California Congress of Republicans is chartered by the CA Republican Party. As such, it then would be receiving lobbyist's funds because they receive donations from politicians and candidates, such as Ted Gaines, which donate to the CA Republican Party. This can be shown by looking up their cal access accounts. The CA Republican Party also receives PAC money from lobbyists and business corporations. Teabaggers are NOT grassroots. They're business funded.
Their webpage says their facebook group was founded by Mark Basil Vafiades, who is from Southern CA. MB Vafiades is associated with Chuck DeVore and Dana Rohrabacher and the Pacific Legal Foundation.
On the CCR fb group page is a PAC solicitation from a "Frank Osekowsky" who I know I have seen mentioned with Russo Marsh Rogers/ Move America Forward before, the Republican PR firm which does swiftboating. Sure enough, when I look at Osekowsky's blogs and info he is associated with the Our Country Deserves Better PAC, which is a MAF fundraiser devise which pays all of the MAF crew. MAF did the hanging effigy ad against Charlie Brown.
So I don't have any trouble calling jon green a liar about teabaggers being "just folks."
Canyonrat,
Wow, just wow.
What has Obama lied about time and time again? - "Now, many of these plans will cost money, which is why I've laid out how I'll pay for every dime - by closing corporate loopholes and tax havens that don't help America grow. But I will also go through the federal budget, line by line, eliminating programs that no longer work and making the ones we do need work better and cost less - because we cannot meet twenty-first century challenges with a twentieth century bureaucracy." Barack Obama
Words only without delivery. He has actually done the oppossite, the proposals he has made and his carving up of the auto industry are costing us dearly. Print a couple more trillion it's only money. Bush was awful and left us upside down. Obama has quadrupled the load. He is a much larger puppet then Bush was and the same puppeteers are still running the show.
Fourgen,
So where is the lie?
JP -"I'll pay for every dime, also go through the federal budget, line by line, eliminating programs that no longer work and making the ones we do need work better and cost less." I guess you feel that taking over GM and Chrysler were what he promised. Where is he getting the money to pay every dime, this is a lie. What part of the federal budget has he gone through line by line and removed any program that doesn't work? He has been flying from district to district with a sales pitch that is spending our hard earned money. He is a puppet just like his predecessor Bush. The puppeteers are the special interest groups and lobbyists just like we have been seeing from our government for at least 20 years. Oh, I'm sorry you only asked for 1 lie.
JP - "I don’t take money from oil companies" Obama
"Obama has accepted more than $213,000 from individuals who work for companies in the oil and gas industry and their spouses.
Two of Obama's bundlers are top executives at oil companies and are listed on his Web site as raising between $50,000 and $100,000 for the presidential hopeful." Swordscrossed
He also has appointed lobbyists to key positions. I guess this is how you get rid of lobbyists.
He is also telling us that he will insure every person in this country for less then it costs now without raising the taxes on 95% of Americans. Less then it costs who and without added taxes?
Maybe you think a lie is omething other then mis-using the truth.
Great stuff on the "grassroots" issue, CanyonRat.
I've been asking about the actual bipartisanship of these tea party folks with little response. Well, let's see... perhaps an individual could, of course, decide to go with the intent of it being bipartisan (and grassroots), but the group sponsoring the "tea party" tour that started yesterday in Sac is a PAC called Our Country Deserves Better (OCDB).
OCDB's mission is to oppose Obama and the "Democratic Congress."
OCDB states that "we must stand up to Barack Obama and the Democrat-controlled Congress." The PAC also states "Help us fight the Democratic Congress!" and it "is leading the fight to champion Reaganesque conservatism."
OCDB formed by Republicans. OCDB PAC was formed in August 2008 by Sal Russo, a Republican political consultant, and former Republican California Assemblyman Howard Kaloogian. In 2008, OCDB's website said "it has one objective: to defeat Obama." During the 2008 campaign, the PAC hosted "patriotic, pro-McCain/Palin rallies" to "Stop Obama."
In 2008, OCDB also produced ads and videos with such titles as "Obama's Wrong Values," "Obama: Not Faithful to Our Military," and "Obama's Patriotism Problem." A recent ad by the group compared Obama to Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Tea Party Express organizer and OCDB vice chairman Mark Williams, recently said on television that Obama lacks a valid birth certificate and has compared "Obama's death panels" to Nazi experiments.
Tea Party Express' purpose is to "highlight some of the worst offenders in Congress." On their website the congress "targets" were ALL Democrats (this has since been removed).
It's impossible to see where the "tea party" is actually, as has been claimed, a bipartisan effort. Sure, you can say moveon.org and other Dem groups are also partisan... but they don't pretend to be anything else but what they are. This "grassroots" tea party is very partisan... tell the truth and live with it.
By the way, how was that crowd of 50,000?? :-)
We are no longer members of the California Congress of Republicans. Severed our relationship in 2007. We have never received any money from them. We have never been chartered by the California Republican Party. The California Congress of Republicans and the California Republican Party are two separate organizations. There is also a California Republican Assembly. The ideology of the three groups is very different on social issues, fairly similar on financial issues. The Assembly group is very conservative, The Congress is more moderate, and I not quite sure where the official California Republican party is. They have to contend with us (the congress) and the more conservative Assembly group. CanyonRat please read and try to listen without bias.
"JonGreen" you just listed your political pedigree above and told people to check it out. I checked it out. YOUR NAME is listed on that site as their President. You're not "grassroots." You are either disingenuous.... or you are confused. I pick deliberately trying to mislead people, just as Steve Cavolt, who is a "nobody" as far as local Republican politics goes, was chosen to front for Mark Meckler and the Move America Forward/Russo Marsh group, which is organizing all those Teabagger anti tax rallies here locally in Sacramento. They're Republicans.
RMR/MAF is closely associated with both John Doolittle and Tom McCarpetbagger McClintock, having down swifitboat ads for both of them, and with Doolittle's ex chief of staff coming from and going back to RMR.
At the previous Teabagger anti tax rally in April, McClintock stood there and targeted a specific Republican member of the CA state legislature who had voted to end the budget gridlock. He told people to donate to a PAC designed to take that Republican out by a special election, which would cost the state almost a million dollars to run. The PAC is run by executives with Dept of Defense contracts. So McClintock is a vindictive sort of politician who has NO interest in having the CA state budget come in on time (which is more per diem money for the legislators like he was) and being able to be balanced. He is a destructive person who is much enamored of that Southern CA casino money.
CanyonRat, So if someone belongs to a local Republican Club they are not grass roots? What is your definition of grass roots? Is Acorn grass roots? I am a registered Republican but not a member of the Republican Party. Do you know anything about the structural organization of Political Parties in the US? The Republican Congress of Placer County has not organized any Tea Party or Health Care events.
It must be scary for you to see a truly grass roots movement by folks opposed to your viewpoint, and I forgive you for your less than civil comments.
Wow... I knew there were a lot of rednecks in the hills... that stuff is just creepy & weird. Do you believe in little monkeys that are under mind control by aliens to suck the blood out of your girlfriend the sheep when you are sleeping?
I'll keep my Guns, Bible, and Freedoms. Keep the Change.
I just came back to this post. To answer Wrighter’s question, even though I’m happy to say he’s no longer with us, the last protest I attended was when Gore attempted to steal the presidency from the American people. I didn’t even get paid by anyone, for example, Moveon.org. :)
As long as the Republican Party is the Party of No, the Party of Against, and as long as it is willing to allow publicity seeking attack dogs like Rush and Glen to become the spokesmen for the Party and, as long as the party has no internal leadership to steer it away from the unethical and the criminal, the Republican Party will continue to put the party before the country, and we will have aberrant behavior like that directed at President Obama, simply because he is not a Republican.
Many Americans believe that the Republican Party not Al Quaida or the Taliban is the greatest enemy of the United States because it undermines, smears and vilifies the normal, the American, for its own benefit. The Party was once a party of conservatives and now it is, at best, a party of radicals, and at worst a party of terrorists. It is a party so out of control it cannot even control itself. It is capitalizing on the general frustration and anger and diminished world standing foisted on the United States by the Bush Administration and that frustration and outrage is being harnessed into this radical and terrorist leaning party. The Republican Party is really scary because it is so out of control, so willing to go to any extreme to gain that nebulous something that MAY give it some legitimacy in its own eyes. It is consuming itself by its own lack of leadership, its radicalism and willingness to go to any extreme to once again achieve some legitimacy in its own eyes.