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Cash for Clunkers Falls Flat
Subsidizing car sales won't create new additional jobs, but if it is to be done, it ought to make some kind of sense. Reuters Only in Washington could a program that is spending money 13 times faster than was planned be labeled a "success." The "cash-for-clunkers" program ground to a halt last week because in less than a week, a program that was supposed to last until November 1, had spent the entire $1 billion allocated to it. Let's just hope that the government takeover of the rest of the health care industry doesn't result in similar "success." Unfortunately, the House voted late last week by an overwhelming 316 to 109 margin to spend $2 billion more on the program. The Senate is scheduled to take up the issue this week. The "clunkers" program is supposed to stimulate the economy as well as to reduce greenhouse gases. To encourage new car sales, owners of older cars get either $3,500 or $4,500 when buying a new car. The program has been plagued with just about every problem possible. The Department of Transportation computer system has been unable to register deals made under the program. Car dealerships find themselves saddled with expensive ad campaigns touting the government subsidies at the same time the subsidy program is in limbo. But if you were even mildly aware of your car's gas-mileage early on, forget it, you won't get anything. The program only rewards those who bought gas-guzzlers: the EPA spent a month evaluating 30,000 vehicle models made between 1984 and 2004, and decided that only about 8,000 cars should qualify, those getting 18 miles per gallon or less. For instance, the popular mid-size Toyota Camry got too many miles per gallon. Similarly, Ford Taurus sedans, except for some equipped with V8 enginess, don't qualify, but if you happen to have a Ford Taurus wagon, there are some models, in some years, that qualify. Among cars made in 2004, there are only six models listed as eligible -- all of them trucks or SUVs. Oddly, it does't really matter what the difference is in the gas mileage between old "clunkers" and new cars. Replacing an 18 mpg car with one that offers 22 mpg, gets you a subsidy. But you cannot get a subsidy if you replace a 19 mpg car with one getting 45 mpg. Subsidizing car sales won't create new additional jobs, but if it is to be done, it ought to make some kind of sense. If improving miles per gallon is the goal, a sliding scale that varied the subsidy with the difference in miles per gallon between the old and new cars would seem reasonable. If emissions from older cars is important, the subsidy could also be larger when trading in older cars. There are many other weird details of the program. One is that used cars worth more than either the $3,500 or $4,500 subsidies are not eligible. Essentially cash-for-clunkers rewards people who have held on to old, cheap gas guzzling cars for a very long time. But do we really want to reward such behavior? The thought enters your mind: if I buy a new car today with a low gas mileage, might I qualify a decade from now for a similar subsidy program? The Obama administration also got the program's costs all wrong. The money was spent so quickly that it lasted less than a week-- just 8 percent of the time that it was supposed to last. If the government gets the health care numbers this wrong, one can only imagine the damage to the deficit. Bizarrely, the subsidy is only given if the old car is destroyed. All the cars the government offers the subsidy for must be destroyed. Well, destroying cars at taxpayer expense might be a "stimulus" for the automobile makers and the auto unions. But what's next? How about a government program to smash windows in old houses? After all, newer windows tend to have better insulation and we could generate some new jobs in the window-making industry (and there is another new program that subsidizes the replacement of home windows). The problem is that destroying a perfectly functioning 2004 car or a window makes us poorer. The willingness of people to take large subsidies shouldn't come as a big surprise to anyone. Yet, the money had to come from someplace else, and the government's role shouldn't be helping out car companies at the expense of other companies that people would have bought products from instead. But what should really scare people however is how poorly the Obama administration and Congress predicted the number of people who would take this subsidy. Being wrong on $1 billion is one thing, guessing wrong on a trillion dollar health care program is something quite different.
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The level of fraud and the number of repossessions that comes out of this program is going to be phenomenal.
Any time you pay people to do something that they would normally not do, they will take the money and then go back to their original mode of operation.
People who could not afford a new car will take the money, buy the new car, and then will not make their payments.
Car dealers will figure out how to recover and re-sell the clunkers or parts. Some will figure the clunker is worth more than the government is giving them and will swap the vehicle with another clunker that they got outside the program.
Its going to be a huge mess...as usual for a government program.
Hey Inconvenient: You attribute this little screed to Reuters, a respected news agency. In reality, it is a Fox News hit piece written by one of its hacks, John Lott. I don't know which is worse: Plagiarism or Deliberate misattribution.
Gulliver: Do you dispute what's written? Hmmmmmm??
And.....it was on Reuters as far as I know and written by a brilliant man that knows his a$$ from a hole in the ground. How 'bout you?
Do YOU dispute what he's saying??
YS: One of the real problems here is they are luring people into new car showrooms that may not be able to afford to buy a new car. It’s going to end up in the same stupid merry go round of overspending and not being responsible for the tab. It’s another dumb Obamaific plan to spend our way out of this mess. Crazy!
Especially when the government puts a whacky disclaimer stating if the dealer agrees to logon to their network anything done on that computer is government property I see violations here.
Sounds like a Barney Frank
Inconvenient: So do you admit you deliberately misrrepresented the source of this "news" article, or do you admit that you lack the ability to even determine the source of the dreck you feel the need to share with us? As far as the article itself, I certainly disagree with the ultimate conclusion, which is that government is incapable of formulating a better health care system than we have now. As far as the details of the clunker program itself, I don't doubt that it has some flaws--like any other major human endeavor. But there would be little point in fact checking every bogus Fox "news" piece that gets launched onto the internet, even if I had the time to do so. It would be like fact checking the official news bureau for North Korea. Fox is not a news agency, it is a propaganda outlet.
Gulliver: You did not disappoint me. You are consistent. Lost in a perpetual whirl wind of minutia.
Just curious: What IS a non biased accurate news service that you like?
Its just another 3 billion bale out... Keep helping big business... We are a nation of locust... It would be better to build things (big ticket items) that last for a long time. I am tired of having to continue to purchase.... I guess it is to keep the millions of ppl employed! We have to many ppl on earth!
Fox opinion writer John Lott "proved" that giving women the right to vote in national and state elections is the cause of increased government spending [Lott, John Jr. and Kenny, Larry, Journal of Political Economy, 1999] and that hiring minority police officers causes higher crime rates [Lott & Mustard, 26 Journal of Legal Studies 1 (1997)].
Lott has been caught using statistics he created from a fake survey that never took place. To defend his deception, he created "Mary Rosh," a fake "former student" to say she took part in the survey. After an investigator discovered his deceptions, Lott admitted fabricating the Rosh persona, who not only praised his own academic writing but also called himself "the best professor I ever had". He also used the phony "Rosh" persona to write glowing reviews of his own books on Amazon.com. "I probably shouldn't have done it -- I know I shouldn't have done it..." Lott later told the Washington Post.
Has John Lott written anything accurate on policy? I know that sounds snarky, but it's a serious question. Has he? Anyone?
Another septic spin in the crap. Notice he can't deny the failed clunker program is a clunker in it's own right. Thanks dummy.
AIP: Septic as a well demonstrated "loose relationship" with the truth. Take his recent racism post where he intentionally modified the image and attributed it to Fox News as a humorous item, when in fact they were simply reporting the broad distribution of a poster. That same story was covered by other news outlets as well.
When Septic says something, take it with a pound of salt.
YS: Some things never change.
I actually like the idea. I have no idea where the money is coming from... but I like the idea. Too bad I'm not in the market for a car right now. :(
Saladman: You would!
"I have no idea where the money is coming from... but I like the idea" << Great thinking! Don't worry, the president doesn't know either.
You’ll notice not ONE of the loony left here can come up with a defense for this crazy, money wasting Obamarific SPENDING program. LOL!
Regardless of how you feel about Cash for Clunkers, the program sure is popular with the American public. There is no question that this program has helped many people and given a slight boost to the economy. Republicans have made it known that they do not like the Cash for Clunkers bill. John McCain certainly doesn't like the Cash for Clunkers bill – or anything good for anyone – and he is also a vocal opponent of the health care reform package, which is seen as a step towards universal health care, or Obamacare as it's described in the press. The Republican Party seems bent on putting short term loans and whatever else they can into stopping many of Obama's programs, regardless of how good of ideas they may be. The Cash for Clunkers bill might save people from needing no fax payday loans for a car payment, and stimulate auto sales if it's allowed to work.
TeenaX: The primary reason this program is a total disaster is that people will be destroying perfectly good, paid for cars to go back into debt. That’s what got us into this mess we’re in now. It costs the taxpayers (YOU and me) a LOT of money just to repeat the same mistakes we made in the past. It’s shortsighted and deceitful. Most liberals like it because most liberals haven’t a clue how these things actually work.
I'll ask AGAIN ----Gulliver: You did not disappoint me. You are consistent. Lost in a perpetual whirl wind of minutia.
Just curious: What IS a non biased accurate news service that you like?
Vanitas vanitatvm, omnis vanitas.
Salidman: Vanity?...........What does THAT have to do with anything here?
You don't need a voucher, dealers will apply a credit at purchase
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