I am in total agreement that we all need to start the race dialogue. This isn't just about blacks either. It is about any non-anglo-European white Protestant that is viewed with less dignity and entitlement than the next guy. Of course that would require each individual to do some real soul searching and I'm not sure everyone is ready for that.

Common Sense - How and why you go to the question of reparation is a mystery. Apparantly, the Attorney General was talking to you...

so Observer: you obviously don't know the meaning of "dignity"

'bearing, conduct or speech indicative of self-respect'

so you are saying African Americans have no self-respect

or do you not respect them ?

you certainly have a problem with people of European-Americans too

calling them all "white protestants"

what about European Americans who are not protestants ?

are we a minority ?

do we get special treatment, or "entitlement" as you call it ?

just give me a spot on a major league baseball team and some steroids

let me talk in front on Congress

and I will be just fine

once I sign the book deal

What are reparations...this does not have anything to do with any sewers, sewage or septic tanks ...does it?

Part of me just wants to make up something totally ridiculous at this point and see how many people here fall for it.

How did you manage to access that msnbc story without the secret pass word only known to the Mooslums ? That top secret site is where they're planning the new tax code to tax only white people. According to the latest revelations, Allah's favorite mullah Rich War on 'Em of Saddleblack said tax the infidels, so here it comes. You'd better order the tanning booth now. Color up !

The above is satire. You have to be really literal with the Anachronisms.

OK CS, let's talk about race. From this and your prior posts, you were afraid that Obama was going to take his oath of office on the Koran. Didn't happen. You were afraid he was going to appoint Reverend Wright as Secretary of State. Didn't happen. So the current fear is that Obama is going to waste his political capital on trying to get Congress to set aside federal funds to pay money to the descendants of slaves. When, a year from now, that has not happened, what are you going to be afraid of next? What's really bothering you is that you can't believe that a person whose race was oppressed for hundreds of years is capable of running this country in a fair and even-handed manner. Because if you were in his shoes, you would be kicking white butt from Maine to California. Am I right?

CS, denial of your racism doesn't make it so. Denial of your fears don't make them go away either. At least with you, we know where you stand and that makes it easy...you are out of the closet, so to speak.

Common Sense - You would have to have your head in the sand if you think that groups of people don't consider themselves more "worthy" or superior to others. Yes, we European non-Protestants are a minority in this country. We do not influence our government because our beliefs do not concur with the popular opinion that conquering other people and forcing them to be carbon copies of "us" is a mandate from God.

If Obama DID take his oath on the Qu'ran, we all would have been better off. It's language is much clearer than our Bible and leaves less for all the self-proclaimed theologians to use as victory songs. If you find this offensive, do some history research on the well-being of nations who were under Islamic rule in dark ages of Christian Europe, and the Golden Age of Islam in Spain, for instance. Spain was where all the great minds went to study various sciences/disciplines, such as astronomy, mathematics, and philosophy. Galileo, Bruno and Cupernicus got their ideas from Muslim text. For some facsinating reading, Google the words "Golden age of Islam" to see the contributions the Muslims have made to our culture and the well-being of the world. Jews, Christians and Muslims have co-existed peacefully, many times and in many places throughout history. It would be a shame not to recognize this...

What would you guys do without blogs like this. It keeps you busy and oput of trouble. Thank C_S, I do, he provides my minimum daily dose of amusement.

loomisresident: Yes, plus the cost-savings to society that this blog provides in keeping C_S's time occupied here ;)

I'll paste what I posted previously in response to a racist c_s comment on a newstory about a black man who was wanted locally for selling bogus magazine subscriptions who had 80 warrants outstanding for his arrest (AJ, February 11):

On 2/12/09 at 08:48 AM, Miuwtant wrote:

"common_sense", whoever you are, you are a plain, old-fashioned bigot. And like most plain, old-fashioned bigots you don't even see yourself that way. You are clueless about your own cluelessness.

gulliver is absolutely right. You can't defend rascist comments by saying "I was just making a joke" when the original rascist statements were not in the least bit funny--at least to people with a normal sense of humor. You sound like a fourth-grade boy who says something very wrong and gets in trouble with his teacher. He explains: "I was just joking." It doesn't work for ten year old boys and it sure as heck doesn't work for someone I presume is an adult.

What's almost worse is your fellow conservatives on this site have failed time and time again to call you on this issue. Makes me think they support your views even if they are unwilling to express the same views themselves here in writing. Or maybe they are simply so partisan that they can't criticize a fellow conservative under any circumstances. In either case their silence is shameful.

Where do you actually live? Are you from the Auburn area or are you posting from a one-room shack up in Northern Idaho or something? I find it hard to believe that there are people in this area who not only think the way you do but who are willing to put it in writing to boot.

One thing is patently obvious. You can't possibly know any people of color at a human level. If you did you would understand just how absurd your notions of race really are.

And c_s is not alone. My daughter told me about an incident at her school where a young lady she knows was called the "n" word to her face by a blonde-headed someone from our area. Sad to say that bigotry is still alive and well in our little corner of Paradise. People like c_s just perpetuate the problem. And as I said in the last post, he is apparently totally oblivious that there is a problem. I don't expect any of these posts to open his mind, unfortunately.

Just watched Hotel Rwanda again last night. I wonder if c_s has seen it?

c_s wrote:

"I too was going to consider some serious selling-out to the African American fad myself. How's about I change my login name from common-sense to something more African, like Cop-killa Senseless or maybe Commongawanza-Sensibowanetta (to honor all Oceanetta, Tamiquetta and Kwanzaa-like names)...? I may also change my nic to Chile Sensimilla to honor both my hispanic friends but also my medi-pot friends."

If c_s actually did have any black, or "hispanic" [sic], or cancer-victim "friends" (other than imaginary ones) it's a safe bet they're no longer friends.

In a racially tolerant society, one of the typical properties of racism is its denial, illustrated by such cliched disclaimers as "I have nothing against African-Americans, but..." or, "Some of my best friends are..."

Denial can come in the form of disclaimers, mitigation, euphemism, excuses, false humor, blaming the victim, and stereotype reversal. All are futile forms of self defense, face saving, or positive self-presentation attempted after racist statements about minorities or immigrants have fallen flat.

Miwtant, please leave Idaho alone, there are many good citizens living there, unfortunately we only hear about the whackos, not everyone is a white supremacist, armed to the teeth and willing to give the FBI a run for their money, those people are a minute minority.

Hate begets hate and there is enough posted here that begets a bunch. Rhetoric of a bunch of self proclaimed irrational individuals.

wow, the lunatic fringe is out in force

too bad this finally got mainstream media coverage and it is getting some much-deserved and prominent air time

because we need to talk about race

too many democrats, from Cruz Bustamante to Robery Byrd (Senator from WV) have been caught using the "n word"

as has Jesse (shakedown) Jackson

and we all need to confront the racism and anti-semitism of the left

and talk about it

tell how we feeeel about it

and yes, a reparations bill has been introduced in the House already, sorry guys

loomis: glad you see humor - keep the faith

the violent left gets worked up over everything that does not go their way

or when they are exposed to the light of day with their lunatic ideas

to Skeptic the anti-semite: I have medi-pot friends who are not cancer victims

are you that dense that you have no imagination

plenty of people have sleeping disorders that get medi-pot

and a host of other ailments

but you are correct, none of my latino friends has cancer - I'll give you that one, un kaayyy ?

as for hotel Rwanda.......um, er, ah, wasn't Clinton the POTUS during that MASSACRE ? ? ?

yup, a white democrat

same people that brought you slavery

and maybe hispanic cancer too, for all we know

as for jokes, the left is

they can't talk civiliy about anything

Americans should talk about race without calling names and making wild accusations

look at the violent leftist posts here for example

gulliver: well, if I said I thought he'd take the oath on the Koran, I sit corrected

but his FIRST TV INTERVIEW was with a violent muslim TV channel

that should at least worry people, if not scare them

and again, a bill has ben put forth for reparations in the House

H.R. 40:

111st Congress

Commission to Study Reparation Proposals for African-Americans Act

To acknowledge the fundamental injustice, cruelty, brutality, and inhumanity of slavery in the United States and the 13 American colonies between 1619 and 1865 and to establish a commission to examine the institution of slavery, subsequently de jure and de facto racial and economic discrimination against African-Americans, and the impact of these forces on living African-Americans, to make recommendations to the Congress on appropriate remedies, and for other purposes.

Sponsor:

Rep. John Conyers [D-MI]show cosponsors (2)

Cosponsors [as of 2009-01-14]

Rep. Robert Scott [D-VA]

Rep. Luis Gutiérrez [D-IL]

so my lefty friends

eat some crow, or worse

it's almost too easy to trap the lefties into incivility and stupidity

a basic fact check on which party wanted slavery, uses the N word regularly, uses race to shake down others and who sponsored the reparations legislation would make it so they would not post in oppostion to my common-sense points

but time after time, I set an easy trap

and watch heads explode

have a nice day anyway

and try not to get too violently worked up, as always

hey

I tell ya what

0bama is going to send more troops to Afghanistan

why doncha all go on down to SF and protest with Code Pink and Charlie Brown ?

I'll chip in for gas money

Loomis,

You're right. Idaho as a whole is too moderate for this guy. Boise is almost liberal, in fact. But have you been up in the northern panhandle? OMG. I spent a week up there last year. Perfect breeding ground for guys like c_s. Talk about hostile intolerance.

Miuwtant: give up

you've been had, again

man, this is so easy

I might have to take a break for a couple weeks

and give you all a chance to catch up

maybe HR40, the reparations bill

will have passed by then

and we'll have more race to talk about, as the black attorney general suggested

as I am part black, I wonder how I could get some of the money

especially since my grandfather did not emigrate here until the 1920's

and by the way, he was an illegal immigrant

yes, skeletons in the Sense Family......

maybe I can qualify for some medi-pot and forget about it, like you guys

groovy !

OK...Where do I send "this check" to....does this reparations thing.. have anything to do with sewers, sewage and or septic tanks?

Man!..why do I have to keep writing more checks all the time?

Obewan: to be honest, I have not read the details of the proposed reparations law

my guess is Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton, or the Congressional Black Caucus will be involved

and you just know that it'll be spent as efficiently as the oil-for-food program in Iraq

Breaking news: black congressman uses race card on people opposed to the stimulous:

it's Jim Clyburn, the so called "highest ranking black member of Congess" per the media

and no, I don't make this stuff up, our very own media is soooo funny

but for all I know, he calls himself the highest ranking black member of Congress and the media simply parrots him

but they owe it all to America, aren't we great

let's listen in to his racist rant

and tell me, we don't need to talk about race finally

and then be done with it

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/02/19/clyburngop-governors-reject-stimulus-slap-face-african-americans/

Common..interesting stuff...and I am afraid that if a "reparations bill" does pass... the possibility exists... that there will be major race riots "once again" in the streets from the minority populations.

Obewan: much as I like to mock the left, I don't think it will pass

even so, I can't see the Supreme Court allowing it

but democrats want to keep the flames of racism alive

since they benefit from it

but I believe enough people like me exist, with the courage to talk about race

that eventually this too shall pass

and we all will get along again

I just wish they'd hurry up and come out of the closet and stop fearing the left

then again, they are so dang violent......

hey, speaking of violence

I wonder what party the people in the greens voted for ?

I believe the minority populations are now...white.

Unreal. The measure of a person is who they are on the inside, the color of a person's skin is by no means whatsoever going to be an indicator. As evidenced by the fact that the ugliness of your beliefs shines brightly through your words alone, without ever having seen you in person. Afraid of being the minority? Why is that, because of the way YOU treat minorities? But you are right, at least you have no qualms about coming out of the closet and showing your racist beliefs instead of pretending you feel differently. Apparently this is a big part of how you identify yourself, and having nothing else to point to in order to feel like you are not inferior, you choose being white as your claim to superiority. You would believe some swamp dwelling toothless mutant inbred is superior as long as he is white. You have missed out on some very good people in your life because of your views. Racism is offensive, disgusting, has no positive purpose whatsoever, and it is not welcome in this town. Your life has not been enhanced in any way by harboring and justifying these ignorant beliefs. Get help.

then why must the media refer to black people by their color ?

I am just quoting MSNBC

don't shoot the messenger

but if you guys shot MSNBC

where would you get your ideas and how would you know who to vote for ?

kitty,

Wow. The moon isn't even full, is it? In what kind of mountain lair must this person dwell?

Kittyv,,,who are you talking to...yourself? You apparently have not learned the "golden rule" that the first attack and first words out of one's mouth in anger.... is as the mirror is to your own reflection.

We all feel your pain and hope that whatever anger is trapped inside you for what ever reason...you let go....

common_sense - do you realize the ridiculousness of your complaints about too many media stories about black people, during Black History Month? I don't watch corporate media, for the hundredth time. I voted third party, for the two hundredth time. Why do I get the feeling your only panacea to "white guilt" is "white pride" taken to it's extreme?

Obewan - I was talking to c_s. Your words have been a reflection of yourself as well, and you can save your faux empathy for someone who would want it or need it. I don't.

Hence, we have the real problem with race relations. It is you at the left that impede any dialog. You start with name calling. Right away you want to label everyone a racist if they have a complaint. We do have to talk about race. We have to be able to do it without fear of being labeled racist. I have a black friend who I talk to about race and we don’t hold back. We say just what we feel. It has really helped me get passed some of the injustices that have been taking place. It has helped him get passed some of his prejudices also. Miuwtant, please stop with the “incidents” that have happened. They happen every day all over the world. Many times it’s black on white violence. I could go on about the black guy who beat up a white guy at the football game just because he was white. The sooner we can talk openly about this, the better. The people that have kept racism alive and well in our country would be devastated if this were to come to fruition. BTW, if you think racism is bad here, please travel abroad and then tell me how you think we compare. Gulliver, where are you? You sure are quite now that you’ve been proven stupid again.